Overpair early on

[the_joker]

I'd fold. Maybe not with only a bet, but an easy fold with a bet and a raise.

[schwza]

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Too aggressive. Call.

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say the action goes: you call, other guy calls. turn is a brick (say, offsuit 8, one of the few cards that's a true brick), and it goes check, moderate bet to you.

then what?

i would push and hope/expect to get paid off by 6x, 77-99.

also, i'd raise pre-flop.

[schwza]

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I think your gonna be drawing dead some of the time to 2 pair

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pokenum -h ts tc - 6c 4d -- 2s 4h 6s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6s 2s 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts Tc 288 29.09 687 69.39 15 1.52 0.298
6c 4d 687 69.39 288 29.09 15 1.52 0.702

not exactly drawing dead. for reference:

pokenum -h 7d 5d - as ah -- 2s 4h 6s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6s 2s 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7d 5d 321 32.42 669 67.58 0 0.00 0.324
As Ah 669 67.58 321 32.42 0 0.00 0.676

usually we don't call an oesd against an overpair "drawing dead." (the backdoor flushes help).

[bigt439]

Just to add my opinion in here. You're in a marginal situation, meaning that the play with the highest EV shouldn't be that much better than the play with the second highest EV. This is my opinion, and is not a fact, but I think this pretty well describes what's going on here.

If I was playing this there's obviously the whole it depends factor depending on who is doing this, but my default for two unknowns would be to push over top. Given how pf went and the ghetto minraise doesn't tell you much I think it's +EV to push here. I don't think you give up a tremendous amount by folding, but I do think it's the second best play.

Calling is absolutely the worst play. After this guy's raise there's almost no way he doesn't keep betting on the turn and there are 32879292 scared cards on the turn where you'll have no idea where you are and probably convince yourself to fold. If you're going to play the hand you have to push because your hand is vulnerable. Like curtains says, don't give yourself opportunities to fold later on in the hand. The only reason to call would be to keep a worse hand betting into you, but on this board with your hand, that's ridiculous. Push or fold, but please do not call.

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I would have raised pre-flop. Calling the blinds??!? Would have called too but only to a raise. Here is a worthy raise. When the flop comes this, open up with a bet.

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Exactly. Raising pre-flop gives you the image of having more strength than you really do when you come out betting after this flop. Betting pre-flop would certainly knock out a player or two, and may get you a check after that flop. Then you can bet for the pot, assuming you don't think he's trapping (which is unlikely, given your raise preflop and the cards out on the flop).

[SuitedSixes]

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having more strength that you really do

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Exactly why raising with TT in MP with two limpers in Level 1 of a $22 is incorrect.

Outside of flopping a set, hero got exactly what he wanted. Pushing all-in is not going to make a set or two pair go away. Calling is not going to hurt you.

This is a 4th or 5th street hand. You are not going to pick it up or win it on the flop.

[raptor517]

in a 22, a limp is fine pf imo. facing a bet and a min raise? i sure as hell dont shove. im folding this prolly 90% of the time here. id raise pf in a 109 or 215 tho. holla

Thank god someone finally backed me up on the fold...

[raptor517]

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Thank god someone finally backed me up on the fold...

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buncha people backed that up. they are the ones that play well. holla

[schwza]

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Thank god someone finally backed me up on the fold...

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buncha people backed that up. they are the ones that play well. holla

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i don't think folding's crazy, but what exactly do you seem having? the raiser usually raises JJ+ pre, and usually doesn't play 35. the BB has a wider range, but you're only adding in misc. 2-pair hands, and then they both could have a set. playing against flush draw + 1/2 overs is bad, but there's a little dead money, so not horrible.

one obvious problem is by pushing you let A4 fold but get called all day by 66. i dunno, it just seems like given the action so far, i'd expect to be ahead something like 85% of the time right now.

edit: and try to answer from the perspective of someone who is playing a normal number of tables and whose time is not uber-scarce.