A tough game collision

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If BB is really that good a hand reader, he would fold preflop .

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FYP

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Personally I find that tough and TAG games are great games b/c if you can read hands you can make some great plays that really can net you a lot more profit with less variability b/c you always know where you are at in a hand.

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You will always make more money off other's bad play than your own great play. It's a corollary to Sklansky's Fundemental Theory of Poker. You seek out games where you have to "rob" chips from good players. I'd rather play against donks who throw money at me. To each his own...

Meow.

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"I can see how the BB found a laydown..."

i cant and the more i think about it im suspicious that our poster mis-posted and bb actually got away on the turn after utg call-3 bet. that would make a lot more sense.

the button really stunk it up on this hand. AQo is a 3 bet or fold hand. period. clearly given poster's description it's a fold here against an utg raiser. one of the most common things you see from mediocre mid limit players is they cold call all the time with trouble hands like AQ, AJ, KQ, etc. a little too loose, a little too passive.

waiting for the turn is fine with the AQ when it comes QTT w/ a flush draw and bb is betting. the flop is good.

the turn and river payoff though are tremendously bad. call-3 bet means the nuts and nothing but, even at 40-80. terrible to not find the fold there. button plays bad.

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I also think that the poster mis-remembered the hand. Laying KT down as originally posted is not the sign of a good hand reader, it's the sign of a weak tight player who will get run over left and right. (Maybe that's why he's in Southern CA and only playing 40/80.)

[ShawnHoo]

Appreciate the comments, everyone.

BTW, I remember for a fact that BB folded as it was described in my original post.

For those of you who play at Commerce regularly, the BB was one of the two twins who play the 40 or 100 several times a week. They're both winning players as far as I can tell.

[mike l.]

"BTW, I remember for a fact that BB folded as it was described in my original post."

okay then he's terrible too. his preflop call is garbage and his turn fold makes no sense.

as for those twin boys yeah they play okay but i do mean just okay. they definitely dont understand 2+2 theory. they get by mainly by playing tight but they dont understand even the simple concept of not cold calling with dominated hand. the laydown here of KT is inexplicably weak and makes no sense. one thought: it's quite possible utg and bb are buddies and utg sent a simple signal of some sort that he had the nuts.

[golferbrent]

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Personally I find that tough and TAG games are great games b/c if you can read hands you can make some great plays that really can net you a lot more profit with less variability b/c you always know where you are at in a hand.

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You will always make more money off other's bad play than your own great play. It's a corollary to Sklansky's Fundemental Theory of Poker. You seek out games where you have to "rob" chips from good players. I'd rather play against donks who throw money at me. To each his own...

Meow.

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I understand Sklansky's take on things and he is absolutely correct... you do make more from others errors. However, when I talk about tough... TAG opponents I think I maybe mis-described the type of opponent I was talking about. What I really meant was that I like games where the opponents are very predictable and you always know whether you are ahead or behind and can play accordingly w/o having to guess.

Predictable opponents are very easy to exploit and force into making mistakes!!

[golferbrent]

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Personally I find that tough and TAG games are great games b/c if you can read hands you can make some great plays that really can net you a lot more profit with less variability b/c you always know where you are at in a hand.

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Personally I find that games in which my opponents play poorly are much easier.

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In reality, I find that opponents that play predictably are much easier to play against.

[ike]

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Personally I find that tough and TAG games are great games b/c if you can read hands you can make some great plays that really can net you a lot more profit with less variability b/c you always know where you are at in a hand.

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Personally I find that games in which my opponents play poorly are much easier.

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In reality, I find that opponents that play predictably are much easier to play against.

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Either you're calling weak-tight games tough and TAG, or you're badly wrong. Tough TAG opponents are not predictable.

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one thought: it's quite possible utg and bb are buddies and utg sent a simple signal of some sort that he had the nuts.

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This makes a lot of sense. I don't understand how someone who makes this fold could possibly afford to play high limits in SoCal.

[golferbrent]

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Personally I find that tough and TAG games are great games b/c if you can read hands you can make some great plays that really can net you a lot more profit with less variability b/c you always know where you are at in a hand.

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Personally I find that games in which my opponents play poorly are much easier.

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In reality, I find that opponents that play predictably are much easier to play against.

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Either you're calling weak-tight games tough and TAG, or you're badly wrong. Tough TAG opponents are not predictable.

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You may be correct... as the majority of my play either occurs at my home casino in KC or in St. Louis or Tunica. I find that my best success comes in KC where the game is fairly predictable but the presence of LAG's are not overly common. I find that LAG's are much harder to play against!