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#11
10-21-2005, 01:35 AM
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Re: Any way to lay down KK preflop?
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At low limits the answer is no [/ QUOTE ] I dont think the answer is yes at higher limits either. Maybe even less so because people will test you more often. 
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#12
10-21-2005, 01:45 AM
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Re: Any way to lay down KK preflop?
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[ QUOTE ] At low limits the answer is no [/ QUOTE ] I dont think the answer is yes at higher limits either. Maybe even less so because people will test you more often. [/ QUOTE ] Even though I don't play higher than 3/5 I agree with you. It's all very read dependent, but I guess my point is at party 25nl I won't lay down KK pre-flop. I've observed too many all-ins with b.s. hands to know, even the few times I'm against AA, it's -EV to lay them down to hunches at that level.
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#13
10-21-2005, 01:51 AM
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Re: Any way to lay down KK preflop?
Don't fold kings preflop....
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 max, 5 handed) saw flop|saw showdown MP ($249.35) Button ($97) SB ($167.35) Hero ($157.55) UTG ($118.10) Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K. UTG folds, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero raises to $8, MP raises to $14, Button calls $12, SB folds, Hero raises to $30, MP raises to $46, Button raises to $97 (All-In), Hero raises to $157.55 (All-In), MP calls $111.55. Flop: ($414.10) 8, 9, T (3 players, 2 all-in) Turn: ($414.10) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in) River: ($414.10) 5 (3 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: $414.10 Main Pot: $293, between MP, Button and Hero. > Pot won by Button ($293). Pot 2: $121.10, between MP and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($121.10). Results in white below: Hero shows Kd Kc (one pair, kings). MP shows 8c 4d (one pair, eights). Button shows 5s 8s (two pair, eights and fives). Outcome: Button wins $293. Hero wins $121.10.
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#14
10-21-2005, 02:02 AM
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Re: Any way to lay down KK preflop?
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> </font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> At low limits the answer is no [/ QUOTE ] I dont think the answer is yes at higher limits either. Maybe even less so because people will test you more often. [/ QUOTE ] Even though I don't play higher than 3/5 I agree with you. It's all very read dependent, but I guess my point is at party 25nl I won't lay down KK pre-flop. I've observed too many all-ins with b.s. hands to know, even the few times I'm against AA, it's -EV to lay them down to hunches at that level. [/ QUOTE ] Im pretty happy if the biggest leak I have is never folding kings preflop. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#15
10-21-2005, 02:30 AM
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Re: Any way to lay down KK preflop?
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In all seriousness though, I think I've only folded KK pre-flop once and it was very deepstacked, multiway against a lot of aggression. [/ QUOTE ] Are you kidding me?
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#16
10-21-2005, 02:38 AM
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Re: Any way to lay down KK preflop?
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Don't fold kings preflop.... Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 max, 5 handed) saw flop|saw showdown MP ($249.35) Button ($97) SB ($167.35) Hero ($157.55) UTG ($118.10) Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K. UTG folds, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero raises to $8, MP raises to $14, Button calls $12, SB folds, Hero raises to $30, MP raises to $46, Button raises to $97 (All-In), Hero raises to $157.55 (All-In), MP calls $111.55. Flop: ($414.10) 8, 9, T (3 players, 2 all-in) Turn: ($414.10) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in) River: ($414.10) 5 (3 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: $414.10 Main Pot: $293, between MP, Button and Hero. > Pot won by Button ($293). Pot 2: $121.10, between MP and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($121.10). Results in white below: Hero shows Kd Kc (one pair, kings). MP shows 8c 4d (one pair, eights). Button shows 5s 8s (two pair, eights and fives). Outcome: Button wins $293. Hero wins $121.10. [/ QUOTE ] WOW, time to add some friends to ur buddy list
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#17
10-21-2005, 02:55 AM
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Re: Any way to lay down KK preflop?
Well how about this instance.
I was playing $100 NL earlier and I raised UTG with QQ to $4 and got reraised by an 11vpip/1.4pfr after ~500 hands and he reraised to $15. I folded w/o a second thought but I did think later "what would I do with KK here". He only has a pfr of 1.4 and that must mean him reraising means only one hand if I hold KK.
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#18
10-21-2005, 03:05 AM
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Re: Any way to lay down KK preflop?
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Don't fold kings preflop.... Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 max, 5 handed) saw flop|saw showdown MP ($249.35) Button ($97) SB ($167.35) Hero ($157.55) UTG ($118.10) Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K. UTG folds, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero raises to $8, MP raises to $14, Button calls $12, SB folds, Hero raises to $30, MP raises to $46, Button raises to $97 (All-In), Hero raises to $157.55 (All-In), MP calls $111.55. Flop: ($414.10) 8, 9, T (3 players, 2 all-in) Turn: ($414.10) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in) River: ($414.10) 5 (3 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: $414.10 Main Pot: $293, between MP, Button and Hero. > Pot won by Button ($293). Pot 2: $121.10, between MP and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($121.10). Results in white below: Hero shows Kd Kc (one pair, kings). MP shows 8c 4d (one pair, eights). Button shows 5s 8s (two pair, eights and fives). Outcome: Button wins $293. Hero wins $121.10. [/ QUOTE ] that sucks. a lot. i mean its awesome. but it still sucks.
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