Quick poll: what's your play on the flop?

I voted raise but think I could just as well call. He's not folding here so my raise just adds bets to the pot to give his possible overcards odds to draw.

He might put you on an isolation but this is read-dependent and image-dependent I think. How villain sees me is important here.

Is this a WA/WB scenario? Maybe I'm recanting and just calling here to see a safe turn. I think I'm folding to an A/K turn and raising a brick, maybe folding to a 3-bet. Then again, if villain could 3-bet a low-pp...

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With the limper ahead of you, this doesn't look like a steal-defense from the BB, but it does look very much like an isolation raise and an auto-bet on the flop. I want to raise it to find out. If I call here, I have a harder time figuring out what to do on the turn if a blank hits.

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I agree his range is wide. But it gets hard if he 3-bets hero on flop, then leads a brick turn. If hero now raises and is 3-bet then what?

[meep_42]

What do you do on a 8/Q-turn? Do you want to charge yourself 3 to draw to the OESD? Or are you just calling?

I'd be more inclined to call down all the way UI when an 8 comes on the turn, when a Q comes, I think you have some tough choices.

-d

[SmileyEH]

OMG cap preflop!!!!111eleven.

-SmileyEH

[meep_42]

Really? I never even occurred to me to cap pf. I give villain credit for a real hand here and I don't think i'm going to fold him before the turn whether I cap or not. As a slight dog to his hand range (AK,AA-TT - AQs/99 possible), I think capping only gives him odds to draw later in the hand.

I'm just not convinced that taking the lead back here is worth the equity disadvantage I envisioned myself at.

-d

[Luv2DriveTT]

As this poll continues I’d like to see responses to these questions:

Assuming the hero raises the flop:
1) What’s your line if the villain 3 bets?
2) What’s your line if the villain calls, but the turn is a scare card such as A, K, or Q?

Assuming the hero calls the flop:
1) What’s your line and why if the villain checks the turn?
2) What’s your line and why if the villain bets a safe card?
3) What’s your line and why if the villain bets a scare card?

Assuming you fold the flop:
1) Were you born retarded, and why?
2) Were you always worthless and weak, and why?

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[colgin]

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For those who wonder, the dispute is related to this thread - LINK . So far I seem to take the same route the majority takes (although I have made a move on the flop before even though I don't think its the best way to proceed), Derek's path is discussed in the thread. Its an interesting thread and hand without a doubt.

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I voted Call. Against a good TAG I don't see how raising accomplishes much since you can't safely fold to a raise (IMO) and you don't know where you are at if he just calls.

[SmileyEH]

It's probably neutral EV, but makes the hand easier to play and is good for shania.

-SmileyEH

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What do you do on a 8/Q-turn? Do you want to charge yourself 3 to draw to the OESD? Or are you just calling?

I'd be more inclined to call down all the way UI when an 8 comes on the turn, when a Q comes, I think you have some tough choices.

-d

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I'd more likely raise an 8 than a Q. If 3-bet I have to call and fold river UI (?)

But if I don't raise either the 8 or Q do I call down a brick river? In that situation, assuming we call flop and turn and villain bets river we face a 6.75 BB pot. Close call but I don't think I fold.

[SmileyEH]

Also, depending on how good of a TAG the opponent is, his 3betting range is MUCH wider.

-SmileyEH