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#11
11-17-2005, 12:53 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
I think waiting till the river is fine if you think he is unpaired AND not good enough at hand reading to call you light.
There are 5 bets in the pot when it gets to you second time on the turn, you can make it 7, which will give him 7:1 to chase his 4+ outer, depending how many hearts he has. Most of the time he has 4-5 outs and will fold "correctly", assuming that he needs to improve to win. If you just call and raise the river, then you are laying him 9:1 with reverse implied odds as you may hit a heart when he hits a pair. If we give him 4-5 outs, he will need somewhere between 10.5:1 and 8:1, actually a little better due to the reverse implied odds he has. I´d say it´s close, but river may be best as there are alot of cards that will make it look more believable. 
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#12
11-17-2005, 01:03 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
Villain has some stupid weak hand here almost always. My guess if he had the draw he would have bet the turn, but u happened to bet so he thought hed try to CR everyone out for whatever lame reason.
Throw in a turn re-raise and go from there. But that being said, its not like I hate the river raise. And I know u know it, but raise pf.
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#14
11-17-2005, 01:10 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
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[ QUOTE ] i limp 65s there. [/ QUOTE ] me2. [/ QUOTE ] Really? I would dump 65s in this situation (tightish limper, LAGy blinds). I just think it's going to be 2bets 3ways with someone else being the aggressor more often than it will be 1bet 4ways. Surf edit: I don't like the river raise because the 4 is such a brick, your line looks really suspicious. If you fold him you probably could have folded him on the turn, because I don't know that he fires again with A /Q hi. As others have said a turn 3bet is more believable, though you do run the risk of him calling with better [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s, however unlikely.
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#15
11-17-2005, 01:30 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
Meh, i dont like too much about this hand. Raise of fold preflop, i think limping is inferior to both of these options. The river is a total stab, agsinst players you dont have a strong read on, you look brilliant when it works and dumb when it doesnt, i dont really know if it works often enough to warrant it, you need him to have air here.
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#16
11-17-2005, 02:42 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
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i limp 65s there [/ QUOTE ] Small suited connector in a micro pot? Even on the button it seems poor. I know you and flawless know what you're doing, but can we all get a quick explanation on that?
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#17
11-17-2005, 02:55 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
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[ QUOTE ] i limp 65s there [/ QUOTE ] Small suited connector in a micro pot? Even on the button it seems poor. I know you and flawless know what you're doing, but can we all get a quick explanation on that? [/ QUOTE ] from the archives, listen to clarkmeister
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#18
11-17-2005, 03:10 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
Fantastic. Thanks.
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#19
11-17-2005, 03:19 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i limp 65s there [/ QUOTE ] Small suited connector in a micro pot? Even on the button it seems poor. I know you and flawless know what you're doing, but can we all get a quick explanation on that? [/ QUOTE ] from the archives, listen to clarkmeister [/ QUOTE ] Clark doesn't even post in that thread. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Good thread though. I don't do this even though my coaches have said I should. Krishan
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#20
11-17-2005, 04:06 PM
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Re: 30/60 rare bluff river raise by me
crap you're right. there's another similar thread (posted by GoT? where clark says yes. I'll search.)
EDIT: DAMN I'M GOOD, I PWN SEARCHING the link from that thread with clark in it
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