3 guys playing together in our home game....

If you're going to throw me under the bus for mentioning that they're black, then throw Doyle Brunson under the bus too for what he says in Super System about them.

It is a 1-2 NL game. They all come together and leave together. I know they're splitting money. They usu. don't bet each other if they're in the hand. If one of us raises with a good hand, all of them call so that your odds go to crap. I love those of you that think you could just come in and break them so easy. See what happens when you raise with KK, and you get calls with 46, A7, J10, and 23. You either get sucked out on or lose to 2 pr, a flush, or something f'd up.

I need help, not insults. I consider myself a tight-aggressive player and have done well playing poker. But now these guys have come in and your raises PF don't matter. They just all call and your odds go to s_hit.

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So they are colluding. Your orginal post should have been more clear to that important fact. Why would you want to play with cheaters? Don't invite them back. They are smart enough to realize why they aren't welcome anymore.

I dont want to play with cheaters, but we can't exactly prove they're doing it, even though they are.

I was just wondering if there's a way the 7 or 8 of us could gang up on them and break em. If not, fine. I was just wondering.

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If one of us raises with a good hand, all of them call so that your odds go to crap. I love those of you that think you could just come in and break them so easy. See what happens when you raise with KK, and you get calls with 46, A7, J10, and 23. You either get sucked out on or lose to 2 pr, a flush, or something f'd up.


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Play poker for awhile and you will understand that your big pair will win far more then it's fair share against trashy hands whether 1,2,3 or 8 of them come along for the ride. Your odds don't go to crap, if you win 40% of the time against 3 opponents or 80% of the time against 1 opponent you are winning the same amount of money over time, and you should be happy with the nice overlay you are getting. Deal with the variance involved in poker, try and play good poker, and quit whining because you got sucked out on a few times.

If you are concerned about them softplaying each other then that is something the group should maybe confront them about. I personally have seen this and prefer to leave well enough alone so as not to tap on the fish tank.

They aren't cheating they are just stupid imo. Thier luck will change wait them out
Buffro
patexashold-em.com

Thanks for the advice Runner Runner. So you don't think it would be a good idea for all of us to get together and ALL call anytime one of them raises to have 12/14 cards vs. 6?

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I love those of you that think you could just come in and break them so easy. See what happens when you raise with KK, and you get calls with 46, A7, J10, and 23. You either get sucked out on or lose to 2 pr, a flush, or something f'd up.

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Holdem Hi: 850668 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Kh 291412 34.26 558107 65.61 1149 0.14 0.343
6h 4h 139970 16.45 709549 83.41 1149 0.14 0.165
Jc Th 125531 14.76 723988 85.11 1149 0.14 0.148
3d 2d 131582 15.47 717937 84.40 1149 0.14 0.155
7s Ac 161024 18.93 688495 80.94 1149 0.14 0.190

If you don't understand why this is good, you should study the game of poker a little more.

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I know they're splitting money.

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How do you know this? Did they tell you?

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They usu. don't bet each other if they're in the hand.

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So if only the three of them are in the hand they check it to the river? You need to be more clear on this.

Who is the host of the game? It's that person's responsibility to deal with the problem. If I weren't the host, I say either they go or I go. It sounds like collectively as a group you don't want them there, but you guys are afraid of calling them out.

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I need help, not insults.

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A lot of people have taken the time to try to help you with this and your getting defensive and giving incomplete information. There is a wealth of knowledge and experience in this forum, I'd suggest you listed to what people have to say.

PG

Does that say against those hands that KK loses 65% of the time?

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Does that say against those hands that KK loses 65% of the time?

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according to the example YOU gave you are getting 4-1 odds as a 2-1 dog.

This is bad because?