veganism

[ripdog]

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Does anybody have any agruments against veganism? Im trying to argue with my teacher, who is a vegan.

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Why argue it? I know one person who is vegan and have no problems with it. She doesn't preach about it or feel high and mighty because of it. She is vegan because she wants to be. Good enough for me. If your teacher is the kind of prick who thinks that everybody should be vegan, call him out on that. Many vegetarians and vegans feel morally superior to meat eaters. This is what pisses me off about them, not the fact that they choose to abstain from meat. If their reasons for going vegetarian or vegan are health or that they feel bad about killing animals, I have no problems with it. I gave up on asking them why they don't eat meat long ago. I have only received one straight answer to the question. The girl had a lamb as a pet when she was young and you guessed it, her dad killed it and fed it to her. She never touched meat again.

[prana]

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could it be that maybe we aren't meant to eat meat??

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Our teeth say otherwise.

(and so does my stomach)

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As do our brains. Meat is the reason we aren't monkeys. You don't want to devolve, do you?

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This is a great point. Many people think that our big evolutionary jump into bigger brains came because we started eating meat.
Plus, most of the vegans I know have some glaring deficits in nutrition. And bad skin and hair.
Plus, meat is wonderful.

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Chimps are monkeys and they do eat meat.

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Chimps are apes, not monkeys.

P.S. Although some dictionaries say ape and monkey are synonyms.

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thank the physical anthropology class i am in currently:

apes and monkeys are definitely NOT synonyms, they are in different families in the taxonomic classification chart. New World Monkeys are called Ceboidea and are known for having tails that are useable to hang and grab. Old World Monkeys are called Cercopithecoidea and have no tails. Humans and Apes which chimpanzees (NOT MONKEYS) belong to is called hominoidea. Chimpanzee's being the closest mammal with which anthropologists say we last shared a common ancestor with is a member of the ape family. Chimpanzees eat meat, ranging from insects to other small mammals. We also didn't evolve from monkeys, they share relatives from which we both evolved from.

Despite this, most species of monkeys also supplement their diet with insects, so I don't think this is a basis for evolution or devolution because primates that eat only vegetable matter still have a dental makeup consisting of canine teeth and incisors.

Hopefully this knowledge comes into use tomorrow when I have a test on this very same crap.

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I wasn't saying that I thought monkeys and apes were synonyms, I was just pre-empting someone quoting dictionary.com on me as the final proof [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

And chimps only get 5-7% of their calories form animal products. It's a quantitative difference that we started eating more meat that allowed us to have a bigger brain is maybe a better way to say it.

[prana]

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I wasn't saying that I thought monkeys and apes were synonyms, I was just pre-empting someone quoting dictionary.com on me as the final proof [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

And chimps only get 5-7% of their calories form animal products. It's a quantitative difference that we started eating more meat that allowed us to have a bigger brain is maybe a better way to say it.

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I agree. I just am realizing how much people misunderstand these groups(monkeys and apes) now that I am in this class.