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#161
02-07-2005, 01:47 AM
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Re: Clock Management
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Probably the most important and overlooked aspect is your offensive line getting a breather. They're fat bastards and not in the same shape as everyone else on the field. They probably need the breather more than anyone else. [/ QUOTE ] Really, then why were the lineman (Fraley in particular) looking to get into the hurry-up. The breather thing works both ways you know. It's a given that huddling up increased the Eagles chances to score, it might have even doubled or tripled their chance of getting that first score. However, it DESTROYED any chance they had of making the second score, the score that truly matters. This was especially true given Reid's decision to go with the onside kick, which was a mockery against a well-coached and prepared team such as the Pats. If Reid had planned to kick it deep than he would have some defense for not going no-huddle but that wasn't the case. He essentially made recovering the onside kick his only hope, and if you've got the ball in your hands down 10 with more than 5 minutes to play and have already resigned yourself to the fact that you are going to have to recover an onside kick to win than you need to go back to the freaking drawing board. 
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#162
02-07-2005, 02:17 AM
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Re: Clock Management
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[ QUOTE ] Probably the most important and overlooked aspect is your offensive line getting a breather. They're fat bastards and not in the same shape as everyone else on the field. They probably need the breather more than anyone else. [/ QUOTE ] Really, then why were the lineman (Fraley in particular) looking to get into the hurry-up. The breather thing works both ways you know. It's a given that huddling up increased the Eagles chances to score, it might have even doubled or tripled their chance of getting that first score. However, it DESTROYED any chance they had of making the second score, the score that truly matters. This was especially true given Reid's decision to go with the onside kick, which was a mockery against a well-coached and prepared team such as the Pats. If Reid had planned to kick it deep than he would have some defense for not going no-huddle but that wasn't the case. He essentially made recovering the onside kick his only hope, and if you've got the ball in your hands down 10 with more than 5 minutes to play and have already resigned yourself to the fact that you are going to have to recover an onside kick to win than you need to go back to the freaking drawing board. [/ QUOTE ] That's all fine and dandy (tangent : remembering George Carlin's standup talking about never being fine and dandy at the same time) BUT IF YOU DON'T SCORE THE FIRST SCORE THE SECOND ONE IS MEANINGLESS! You keep on talking about leaving yourself time for the second score. I agree COMPLETELY and I'm not arguing they should have counted on the onside kick. You have to get that first score though to even think about the chances of the second score. Andy's a great enough coach that he understood this and made a decision that would best suit the Eagles chances of getting 2 scores from the way he sees it. I'm not an Eagles fan but I have a lot of confidence in Andy that he knew what he was doing. Donovan was very flustered. He just came away from throwing a horrible pick the possession before. Andy obviously wanted to slow it down to calm Donovan down and so Andy could call the plays he wanted. If you want to use a poker analogy... As a poker player you always want to leave yourself with outs. If you hurry up and make a mistake, you're drawing dead because you didn't get that first score. Slowing down and making sure they got that first score though they still left themselves with an out of recovering the onside kick. Andy Reid hasn't been in the last 4 NFC Championship games and the SuperBowl this year because he's a moron. He knew what he was doing and made the best decision given the situation. This wasn't a screwup on his part, it was an educated decision... one that obviously backfired.
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#164
02-07-2005, 02:58 AM
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Re: Clock Management
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BUT IF YOU DON'T SCORE THE FIRST SCORE THE SECOND ONE IS MEANINGLESS! [/ QUOTE ] You have it backwards, if you don't get the second score it's the first score that was meaningless. If you don't get the first score, well then there can be no second score and you lose just the same as you did by scoring the first TD, you don't get any style points for losing by 3 instead of 10. [ QUOTE ] I agree COMPLETELY and I'm not arguing they should have counted on the onside kick. [/ QUOTE ] But by arguing that they need to take their time in order to increase their chances of making the first score they force themselves into the onside kick. You either take your chances and hurry up so you can have a comfortable amount of time left on the clock to kick it deep or go with the more methodical route the Eagles choose and accept that you'll have to pray you recover the onside kick. You can't have it both ways. You are arguing that they count on the onside kick whether you like it or not. [ QUOTE ] If you want to use a poker analogy... As a poker player you always want to leave yourself with outs. If you hurry up and make a mistake, you're drawing dead because you didn't get that first score. Slowing down and making sure they got that first score though they still left themselves with an out of recovering the onside kick. [/ QUOTE ] Again, the problem is that by relegating yourself to the onside kick you've left yourself with a 1 or 2 outer to catch your hand on the turn, but you'll be drawing dead on the river if you miss. There simply will not be enough time to make a drive into field goal range. If you gamble on the earlier street by going for a faster score than you'll have an open-ended straight draw to kick the ball deep and use the 2-min. warning and your time outs to get the ball back with decent field position and a workable clock. You're right in that if you screw up in the hurry-up and fail to score all hope is lost game over. However, the hope you keep alive by taking the slow road to the endzone is nothing more than a fool's hope, the game will have already been lost, before you even enter the endzone.
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#165
02-07-2005, 10:13 AM
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Re: Clock Management
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[ QUOTE ] BUT IF YOU DON'T SCORE THE FIRST SCORE THE SECOND ONE IS MEANINGLESS! [/ QUOTE ] You have it backwards, if you don't get the second score it's the first score that was meaningless. If you don't get the first score, well then there can be no second score and you lose just the same as you did by scoring the first TD, you don't get any style points for losing by 3 instead of 10. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think the first score is meaningless unless you're going to sqaunder so much time getting it that it makes the second score virtually impossible. Managing the clock is AT LEAST as important as the first score. The worst part is there was a middle ground. They were SO lethargic at the end. Even a little pep in the step could have saved them 30-40 seconds, without much of a loss of too much quality. And if you're willing to trade a chance to win a SB for a breather, GET OFF THE FIELD.
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#166
02-07-2005, 10:19 AM
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Re: Clock Management
Poor game imho, but for me the worst decision was the onside kick they very rarely work and it gave the ball to the Pats in midfield meaning the defence could hold but you are always getting possention back deep in your own half.
By taking a normal kick you then put some pressure on try and hold them and get the ball back in midfield and at least have the option of going for the tie.
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#167
02-07-2005, 10:39 AM
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Re: Super Bowl XXXIX Game Thread
Anyone else wonder what NE did to get into McNabb's head? On the sidelines before halftime he just looked totally beaten. Same thing after halftime. he look on his face just says he doesn't believe he can win. Or maybe T.O. did it, yelling at him on the sidelines. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#168
02-07-2005, 10:51 AM
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Re: Super Bowl XXXIX Game Thread
xpost from Sports Betting
McNabb made a lot of uncharacteristic TERRIBLE throws. Some of those were just flyballs. Although he did have that nice drive to tie it up in the 3rd quarter, the rest of his game was pretty bad. I have to hand it to TO, he did great and I have a lot more respect for him now after the SB than before. The main reason the Eagles lost is they gave the ball away a few times (I'm looking mostly at McNabb), did not capitalize on the Brady fumble (3 and out and gave it to NE in good position) and could not stop Corey Dillon and the screen passes in the 2nd half. That said they covered. Wh00t!
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#169
02-07-2005, 10:53 AM
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Re: Super Bowl XXXIX Game Thread
Terrible throws are not uncharacteristic of McNabb. He always whizzes 5 balls over his receivers' heads.
-Michael
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