WSOP Day 1B: "Official" Results, News & Discussion

[Quad_Damage]

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The internet and televised tournaments have really done great things for poker.

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In both instances, all parties involved handled themselves with dignity and respect for tournament staff, despite the potential for emotional outbursts.

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Could you italicize it, please?

[kasey2004]

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Date / Time: 2005-07-08 16:04:00
Title: ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Log:

This tournament has just had two simultaneous, brilliant examples of why you see players putting chips and various other objects on top of their hole cards. It's not just for show.

Instance #1 - With the board showing A-J-8-J-2 a player with a made full house (8-8 in his hand) decides to posture for a bit. He stands up, and acts as if he's got a difficult decision to make. Finally he sits back down, picks up his cards, puts them in front of his chips, and starts to count out his bet. As he's counting, the dealer takes his cards and slides them into the muck. The man disputes the call, and the floor is called. The floor reinforces the dealer's explanation: it is the player's responsibility to protect his or her hand. Once a card has been mucked, it cannot be retrieved. The hand is dead.

Instance #2 - Meanwhile, on another table, just as the dealer is explaining to the player in seat #1 that he should always protect his hand, the player in seat #2 attempts to fold, and accidentally tosses them on top of seat #1's cards. The floor's ruling is the same: always protect your hand. If your cards touch mucked cards, your hand is also dead. The player in this case was forced to leave his $200 call in the pot. In a show of remorse, seat #2 attempts to reimburse the man for his lost $200 bet, and although the floorman respects the decision, he also states that chip exchange is also illegal, and cannot occur.

In both instances, all parties involved handled themselves with dignity and respect for tournament staff, despite the potential for emotional outbursts.

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Wow.

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I just found this too i was coming to post it and found it already here... how bad would it suck to have a mucked hand hit your aces that werent protected after raising and having someone go all in over the top ?? (or some similar situation)... i didnt know it was that strict. Damn.

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[Malachii]

Getting all in with top pair/top kicker, the nut flush draw, and an overcard is so not rocks and rings.

[West]

cardplayer chip counts have Vinnie Vinh with 124,000...

[Quad_Damage]

How seriously do you think pros are going to take this tournament after all of this? This is laughable.

[jedi]

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Instance #2 - Meanwhile, on another table, just as the dealer is explaining to the player in seat #1 that he should always protect his hand, the player in seat #2 attempts to fold, and accidentally tosses them on top of seat #1's cards. The floor's ruling is the same: always protect your hand. If your cards touch mucked cards, your hand is also dead.

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So I can throw my cards at someone else's, and that person's hand is folded? [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]



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If they're dumb enough not to protect their hand, then yes. Of course, if they think you're doing it intentionally, then you might get some sort of warning or penalty, but intentional or not, the other player's hand is mucked. Protect your hand. It is YOUR responsibility. No one else's.

[jedi]

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I just found this too i was coming to post it and found it already here... how bad would it suck to have a mucked hand hit your aces that werent protected after raising and having someone go all in over the top ?? (or some similar situation)... i didnt know it was that strict. Damn.

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It has nothing to do with being strict. It's been this way for a long time now. If you don't protect your hand, it's vulnerable to all sorts of problems. Dealer picking cards up as their trained to, cards mixing up in the muck, etc. PROTECT YOUR HAND!

[KneeCo]

So if he had chips or something on top of his cards they wouldn't have been mucked?

Because it is perfectly possible to throw cards on someone else's even if they are somewhat covered (and it is my understanding that a card holder by rule cannot cover too much of your hole cards).
If that had happened, the hand wouldn't have been mucked? He could have brushed off the top two cards and kept playing?

[DesertCat]

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Date / Time: 2005-07-08 16:04:00
Title: ALWAYS PROTECT YOUR HAND
Log:

This tournament has just had two simultaneous, brilliant examples of why you see players putting chips and various other objects on top of their hole cards. It's not just for show.

Instance #1 - With the board showing A-J-8-J-2 a player with a made full house (8-8 in his hand) decides to posture for a bit. He stands up, and acts as if he's got a difficult decision to make. Finally he sits back down, picks up his cards, puts them in front of his chips, and starts to count out his bet. As he's counting, the dealer takes his cards and slides them into the muck. The man disputes the call, and the floor is called. The floor reinforces the dealer's explanation: it is the player's responsibility to protect his or her hand. Once a card has been mucked, it cannot be retrieved. The hand is dead.

Instance #2 - Meanwhile, on another table, just as the dealer is explaining to the player in seat #1 that he should always protect his hand, the player in seat #2 attempts to fold, and accidentally tosses them on top of seat #1's cards. The floor's ruling is the same: always protect your hand. If your cards touch mucked cards, your hand is also dead. The player in this case was forced to leave his $200 call in the pot. In a show of remorse, seat #2 attempts to reimburse the man for his lost $200 bet, and although the floorman respects the decision, he also states that chip exchange is also illegal, and cannot occur.

In both instances, all parties involved handled themselves with dignity and respect for tournament staff, despite the potential for emotional outbursts.

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Wow.

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Worse. Floor. Rulings. Ever.

The rule is if the cards are easily recoverable, they can still be played. I'm shocked the WSOP can't get this right.

[Kevmath]

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(and it is my understanding that a card holder by rule cannot cover too much of your hole cards).

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Have you seen Raymer's card protector?

Kevin...