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| I count outs on every hand and double check before I click my action. I don't mind almost timing out. |
   
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| I count ocassionally on multiway pots. |
  
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07-25-2005, 03:44 PM
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Re: Is this unethical?
I know- my point is that "relative value/damage" arguments detract from the point that should be the only one- stealing is wrong and rationalizing it can't be acceptable.
I may be old, but we need to send more of these unambiguous messages to educate kids and thieves alike. 
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07-25-2005, 03:56 PM
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Re: Is this unethical?
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Downloading music isn't stealing. It's copyright infringement. There is a big difference. [/ QUOTE ]copyright infringment? Your not using the mp3's to make money. It is illegal because you are freely distributing copyrighted material. If thats copyright infringement, then you would be correct, but I thought it was something else. Illegal nonetheless.
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07-25-2005, 06:12 PM
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Final thoughts
Ok this thread grew to be a bit bigger than I had anticipated. Below are some revisions/fixes/thoughts:
1) I titled this post incorrectly. 'Is this unethical?' was a bad title. Why? Because I already knew it was unethical. What I wanted to know and ask you guys about was HOW unethical you think it was, to you personally. Obviously you know how unethical I think it is. 2) It's amazing to me that even though the vocal majority of you in this thread think this is a huge stealing issue, the poll results are remarkably even. 3) El D, you are right. Perhaps I exaggerated a bit when I said I would take any small risk as long as the reward was large enough. If a Ferrari was in the street with the keys in the ignition, I would not take it. Not because I'm afraid I would get caught, but because a theft of that magnitude would not sit well with my conscience. But personally I have no problem with using batting tokens like this. So I obviously have a 'line' somewhere. Where exactly it is, I'm not sure. 4) Despite the arguments to the contrary, I still do not see any difference between downloading mp3s and buying these batting tokens. With the tokens, I am buying objects with no inherent monetary value for pennies on the dollar, and using those objects as though they were legitimate. The batting cage owner will obviously lose money with each token I use. With mp3s, I am downloading objects with no inherent monetary value for free, and using those objects (burning to CD, etc.) as though they were legitimate. The music company, artist, etc will lose money with each mp3 I download.
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#128
07-25-2005, 06:32 PM
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Re: Final thoughts
1. It's either unethical or it's not.
2. Thieves usually slither in the background. 3. Stealing is stealing. 4. Everything mentioned is stealing and therefore wrong.
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#129
07-25-2005, 06:49 PM
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Re: Is this unethical?
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I'm of course reaching here with my last statement to make a point, but there's a term for the specific personality I described. [/ QUOTE ] That implies to me that you are interested only in your personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of your behavior on others.
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