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Old 10-30-2004, 02:26 AM
Rick Nebiolo Rick Nebiolo is offline
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Default Re: Bigger Mistake: Phillips or Hansen?

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What do you know, pretty boy? How you been? How's my lady? Say hello!

Vince

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We're multi-tasking. Tired, busy. Short stacked on a NL sit n go. Trying to avoid the dreaded bubble. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

~Rick

PS Boy, you like pushing buttons [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-30-2004, 02:54 AM
cero_z cero_z is offline
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Default Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.

Hi Vince,

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But I believe that he is only called if he is beat! ...even Hansen would be hard pressed to call without a pair or A,K or A,Q.

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So, if this is the situation, Paul is laying about 7 to 1 to win the pot, when his opponent (by your estimation) will fold 13 out of 14 times! Sounds like a good bet right there, to say nothing of the 60 hands (22-JJ) he's coin-flipping against.
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Old 10-30-2004, 07:46 PM
Vince Lepore Vince Lepore is offline
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Default Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.

When I wacthed the hand, and I just watched it again. The announcers said that the blinds were 25-50k. I based a lot of my comments on that. The blinds were in fact 50-100k which created a bigger pot to go after than I originally thought PP went after. I still don't like his all-in raise but it is not as bad as I first thought.

Vince
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Old 10-31-2004, 03:52 AM
Daliman Daliman is offline
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Default Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.

Thanks for that. Please disregard this entire thread now, along with the 4 other threads spawned by it.
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Old 10-31-2004, 03:58 AM
Vince Lepore Vince Lepore is offline
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Default Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.

Hey Daliman, I would appreciate it if you disregard eveything I post. I just put you on my ignore list please do the same for me. Have a good life and don't bother yourself with me again.

Vince
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Old 10-31-2004, 05:05 AM
Daliman Daliman is offline
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Default Re: How I would have played Philips A,Q.

Damn shame. You'll no longer view my witty retorts and insightful BS. I guess Mat was plenty right, you are WAY too thin skinned. I make a pithy comment indicting more the tempest created than yourself, and you get yer ass in the air about it.

I'll repeat from earlier....

WAAH!

Now, let me get this straight, yer supposed to be some kind of pro, right?
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: Bigger Mistake: Phillips or Hansen?

This was discussed quite a bit when it first aired, and I think most seemed to agree that against the range of hands Paul would make this play with, Gus was in pretty good shape and needed to call.

However you also believe Paul's push was a mistake. If you feal the Gus's call was a mistake then I don't see how you can thinkg Paul's push was a mistake as well. If he puts Gus on a weakish hand and he is "supposed" to fold it to an all-in, then an all-in seems like the correct play to me.
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:47 PM
Vince Lepore Vince Lepore is offline
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Default Re: Bigger Mistake: Phillips or Hansen?

Gus's call was a mistake because the risk out weighed the reward. Look at West's math analysis of Gus's call. If West is correct as I believe he is Gus's call over a wide range of hands that PP could have result in a -EV.

Vince
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Old 10-31-2004, 04:01 PM
TurtlePowers TurtlePowers is offline
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Default Re: Bigger Mistake: Phillips or Hansen?

Im now convinced that Gus gambles a lot.
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Old 11-01-2004, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: Bigger Mistake: Phillips or Hansen?

I like Paul's allin. Worst case scenario Gus turns over AK, Paul ends up not winning the hand, and still has quite good chances at 2nd place.
I don't like calling at all here. It's 3 handed game, you have AQ, and you can face Gus with the prospect of elimination. I don't think it's so close either.
I know for sure I don't want to call here, and I dont want to fold, so by default I'm moving allin.
Also forgive me, my paragraphs don't show up in my message? Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
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