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Old 10-29-2004, 08:45 PM
jomatty jomatty is offline
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Default Re: Bigger Mistake: Phillips or Hansen?

vince,
all of the things that you said so what too answer your later questions. Cute response but in my opinion wrong.
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Old 10-29-2004, 10:14 PM
Vince Lepore Vince Lepore is offline
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Default Re: Question for Matt Sklansky?

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I think it is pretty clear who is WRONG.

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Yeah, you are correct, it is very clear. It was DP, your hero and he's gone. Thanks Mat.

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Old 10-29-2004, 11:26 PM
Rick Nebiolo Rick Nebiolo is offline
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This whole question cannot be analyzed based on knowing both hands, IMO. The real question is "in a 3 handed game, the button (and close 2nd in chips) raises 2.5 times the blind, you have AQ, what is your play" and then asking the question from the opposite point of view. You write it from the perspective of "you have TT and your opponent has AQ, what should you do". That is my inference at least. I think if you ask it only revealing the hand of the person whose action you are interested in, and no one had seen the show and knew both hands, you'd get a much much different set of responses.

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Great point!

I do think Gus had a tough decision after PP's big reraise and (divorcing results) a laydown was a good option. Others have already elaborated [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 10-29-2004, 11:42 PM
Vince Lepore Vince Lepore is offline
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What do you know, pretty boy? How you been? How's my lady? Say hello!

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Old 10-29-2004, 11:50 PM
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Old 10-29-2004, 11:51 PM
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Old 10-30-2004, 12:12 AM
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Default Re: Bigger Mistake: Phillips or Hansen?

Didn't read all the posts, so if this was already mentioned sorry.
I don't think either player made a wrong play on this hand. This is because neither player was playing for 2nd place. Neither play cared about the money, both wanted first place, especially Paul.
Now if its me in Hansen position, I can fold TT here because I know Dewey probably won't be around much longer, increaseing my payout, but Hansen saw an opportunity with a strong hand to pretty much end the tournament and he took it. Unfortunately for him he lost the race.
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Old 10-30-2004, 12:15 AM
Vince Lepore Vince Lepore is offline
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Why don't you come and see me you cowardly punk!

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Old 10-30-2004, 12:17 AM
Vince Lepore Vince Lepore is offline
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Wow you da man! what a dope!

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Old 10-30-2004, 01:11 AM
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Default Re: Bigger Mistake: Phillips or Hansen?

Sigh, I can't believe I read this whole thread. The flame-fest was inevitable after pointless "I know I am right" statements that aren't correct.

Anyways, I think Paul's play is fine here. As mentioned, Gus is going to raise with a wide range of hands here, might as well play back at him when you have a big hand. Folding is weak/tight. Calling would be fine except that you're out of position against an aggressive player that's also willing to make big calls. I think that moving in is Paul's best play here.

Gus's call is debatable.. He's probably in a coinflip situation, I think I'd fold in this spot, but calling isn't that bad, and it becomes very viable if Paul's been re-raising his steals often.

Also, I'd imagine that Paul cared more about winning than moving up from 3rd to 2nd place prize money, and this route gives him a much better chance to win, at the cost of lessening the % of the time he'll finish 2nd. Also, even if he loses, he's not that far behind Tomko.
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