Banned by Captain Cook's Casino

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I think they would have a hard time proving card counting in court. Also, the PR would be awful. Just asking them to leave and not come back is the way to go for them.

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'entertainment purposes' that cracks me up! You're only suppose to play and lose and have fun doing it, didn't you know that?

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This is in fact the attitude of casinos, both online and B&M. It's really no different from B&M casinos banning card counters. The casino offers a game or a promotion tha allows you to make money following the rules, but when you actually do so, they ban you. I don't blame them too much. They are, after all, in business to make money, but it still strikes me as unfair that you are treated like a thief when you have been playing by their rules. Nobody forced them to offer a bonus with a small enough wagering requirement to make it +EV, and nobody forced B&M casinos to not shuffle after every hand in a blackjack game.

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I don't have a problem with them labelling me as a bonus abuser and blocking me from future bonii. BUT, they agreed to give me this bonus, subject to wagering conditions, and reneging on that is theft.

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Theft or not, you're SOL. Unless they want to give you the bonus, you're not going to get it. You can't get it out of them in court or whatever the hell you're thinking you'll do. The best you could do is harass them and post negative publicity (which they're already going to get). On an ass-reaming of this scale, casinomeister is likely to get involved, so there's nothing more you have to do except staying on top of new news with them. Your notion that you'll go to their office and get them to unlock your account and give you your bonus is pure fantasy. These companies are based offshore for a reason, and it's not because they like the weather. Just tough it out, and if you get your bonus back, be happy, if you don't, better luck next time. I really don't think identifying yourself as a bonus whore on a prominent forum is the best way to get your bonus back, and neither is writing them threatening emails.

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BUT, they agreed to give me this bonus, subject to wagering conditions, and reneging on that is theft.

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I agree. If you're in the UK, and the casinos are in the UK, you may be able to take them to court. I'm not sure whether the bonus money really is a gabmling debt. It was not a wager that you won, it was money promised to you on the condition that you signup and play. From a stricly financial point of view, it's probably not wourt fighting for, but as a matter of principal, maybe it is.

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I believe they are UK based non?

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I believe they are UK based non?

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The jurisdiction listed in their T&C is Vanuatu.

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Do B&M casinos typically conifscate your winnings if you were using methods to gain an edge?

I was under the impression that card counters and other players with a positive expectation were simply told they couldn't come back.

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Usually they just get kicked out. There have been cases of casinos confiscating the winnings of advantage players, or filing false charges of cheating. Some have even been beaten up in back rooms. This last was more common 20 or more years ago. Ken Uston was beaten up more than once.

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I believe they are UK based non?

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The jurisdiction listed in their T&C is Vanuatu.

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hmph. Well then I will contact the Kahniwake Commission. The fact that they are taking the money from those who won, and not refunding that of who has lost is theft. The consumer is in a no win situation. I have looked at the Kahniwake's website before, and this behaviour falls outside their charter.

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Gee, it looks like posting this stuff on 2+2 actually does have an effect on what casinos do and ruin bonuses. Who would've thought? Not me, for sure. Nope. I'ts not like I tried to argue this and everyone jumped down my throat. Not at all.

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I think they would have a hard time proving card counting in court. Also, the PR would be awful. Just asking them to leave and not come back is the way to go for them.

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They could certainly prove that the counter's betting patterns are consistent with counting, but I don't think that would be adequate proof for a criminal case. The whole idea that card counting is a form of cheating is absurd. A counter is simply using information available to all players to make better decisions. It's reasonable for the casinos to throw them out, or not allow them them to play blackjack, but to treat them like criminals is stupid. Yet some casinos have the attitude that anybody that gains an advatage is cheating.

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No doubt you can prove they are acting like a counter. Can you prove they are counting? I dont think so either.

Throwing them out is fine though. It is fair. Trying to take the winnings isnt though.

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