Paris riots spread, shaking French government

[The once and future king]

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Yea, because when those pictures of Hurricane Katrina were beamed around the world, the whole planet could see that no one in NO was poor/unemployed.

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Go back to Econ 101 and learn what the word 'marginal' means.

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I know what it means. If you think the USA dosnt have a large underclass living in poverty then you dont bother going "back" to class as you wouldnt have the ability to pass it.

So how much more money should we spend to make sure our poor, who have roofs over their heads and own color TV's, get more and nicer stuff? How much more money should the French government spend?

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[nicky g]

"Our poor, who have roofs over their heads and own color TV's"

Do the poor in Western Europe not also have these things? I woud be willing to bet that the US has a worse homelessness problem than France does. Unemployment is one thing but suggesting much worse poverty exists in Western Europe than the US is just ignorant.

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"Our poor, who have roofs over their heads and own color TV's"

Do the poor in Western Europe not also have these things? I woud be willing to bet that the US has a worse homelessness problem than France does. Unemployment is one thing but suggesting much worse poverty exists in Western Europe than the US is just ignorant.

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I'm sure you're right. Surprisingly I think we're more or less in agreement on many of the reasons for this unrest. I feel quite strongly that the U.S. is sitting on "powder keg" of sorts. Not sure about France but in the U.S. the underclass has fairly easy access to firearms so they might not only torch stuff, they may do a lot of shooting if they display unrest. The unemploymnet rates for the U.S. underclass is very high and I think it's fair to say that in the short run, the prospects aren't that great for improving the employment situation among the underclass. I posted an article a few weeks ago pointing out that even though crime rates are declining in the USA, the number of "criminals" continues to rise. The reason crime rates are dropping is due to the fact that the U.S. prison population is growing at an alarming rate (at least to me). Goes along with the "shape up or ship out" rhetoric from pols like Gingrich. Anyway the French system of government has problems but the U.S. has problems of its own as well.

[The once and future king]

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So how much more money should we spend to make sure our poor, who have roofs over their heads and own color TV's, get more and nicer stuff? How much more money should the French government spend?

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Infant Mortality Rate USA: 6.5 Deaths per 1000.
Infant Mortality Rate UK : 5.16
Infant Mortality Rate France : 4.26
Infant Mortality Rate Germany: 4.16

Life Exptency USA: Male 74.89 FM 80.67
UK : M 75.94 FM 80.96
Germany : M 75.66 FM 81.81
France : M 75.96 FM 83.42

All data taken from the CIA world fact book.

So we can see that the USA has the highest infant mortality rate and lowest life expentacy when compared to the major European powers. Maybe it should be spending a little more.

Poverty has absolutely nothing to do with infant mortality rate in a developed country, but it doesnt surprise me that you couldn't put that together. The hispanic infant mortality rate, hispanics being on average far more poor than whites, is lower than the white infant mortality rate.

Here's what an expert, no wait, here is what someone who simply isn't a complete jack-off would say:

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The cause of [our rising infant mortality rate] remains unclear, but it may be a combination of the surge in older women having babies, the popularity of fertility treatments and, paradoxically, advancements in identifying and saving fetuses in distress, experts said.

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http://www.detnews.com/2004/health/0...a12e-62117.htm

It is simply a lacking aspect of our healthcare system when it comes to prenatal care, not poverty, as your pee brain suggests.

[The once and future king]

Wow you realy know how to remain rationaly discursive non emotional and stay away from ad hominem attacks.

I congratulate you on the balanced and logical way you present arguements.

From the same article:


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Nevertheless, the surprising increase has raised alarm because the infant mortality rate is considered a fundamental measure of a society’s well-being.

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The United States has long had one of the highest infant mortality rates among developed countries

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As to the first quote, I dont know what talking head the paper interviwed but amongst experts such as economists, and development officials Infant rate mortality is taken as a very serious and potent measure of poverty in a society.

Now perhaps to counter this you find a source that dosnt undermine your own arguements. Also perhaps something than a bit more weight and expertise than the Detriot News.

[mslif]

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What do people expect letting in a bunch of socialist Muslims into their country? The blame goes to De Gaule for not reconquering Algeria along with those stupid leftists who promote the socialist immigrant agenda without regard for religion or culture. This is only the beginning of something greater.

I just hope the Muslims kill many snobby socialist Frenchmen, which should not be hard to do.

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I am not going to read this whole thread because of your post. As a french citizen I am truly offended by your statement and believe that you know nothing about our history, the Algerian Independance War, De Gaule and our current political system. Your statement only reflects your ignorance and your lack of understanding of french history.

[BadgerAle]

"The reason crime rates are dropping is due to the fact that the U.S. prison population is growing at an alarming rate (at least to me). Goes along with the "shape up or ship out" rhetoric from pols like Gingrich. "

Sounds like the US is doing well then- paying to keep criminals locked up. contrast this with britain and france where we give our criminals pathetic sentances because we don't want to pay for them to stay in prison, there is no deterant and they re-offend. Maybe if the french started to imprison/deport rioters then there would be a bit more order on the streets.