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Old 11-09-2005, 03:48 PM
spsurfin_Michael spsurfin_Michael is offline
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Default Re: I\'m very sorry

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It was just one moderator: me. What happened here is not about multiple moderators. This forum has one: Dynasty. I am the only other person who might take action here. So people can direct their anger and disappointment at me .


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Mat,
What is the point of expressing an opinion either directly in a related thread or via PM to the forum moderator?

I have questioned Dynasty three times and sent him the following PM—since he will not respond in private, I will post it in public. May be you will respond.


The following is my PM to Dnyasty:

Dynasty,

I made the following post (see below) questioning your decisions. I see that you posted a sticky regarding the Terms & Conditions” that I pointed out to you in my post. I have not followed any of the “Tiffany” threads as I have no interest in reading juvenile irrational diatribes. The fact that some members are arguing the motivation of members criticizing her play as being racially motivated is proof enough of the diatribes I am referring to. It seems pretty rare to find any thread that does not contain some flaming or insulting comments (e.g. RGP).

My choice not to read these threads is mine alone and when I come across content I do not care to read, I simply stop reading and move on to another thread. Seems like a mature decision or common sense to me.

These comments do not negate my deep concerns regarding what could be easily misconstrued as hypocritical, irrational, overreaction, and unjustified actions taken by you. I honestly believe you owe us an explanation of the sudden change in your personal policy of ignoring the “Terms and Conditions” to suddenly enforcing them only when it relates to Tiffany. Your integrity is in question and this question must be answered.

I would greatly appreciate a response from you.

Respectfully,

Michael


This is a copy of my post in an active thread that he also ignored:

Help me understand this:

Quoting this portion of the "Terms of Usage"

"Operating Policies"

The operating policies of 2+2 set forth the rules that govern your activity on the 2+2 website. While using 2+2 website, you may not post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind; including without limitation any transmissions constituting or encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any local, state, national or international laws.

While you are free to post on the 2+2 website using an alias, you may not post pretending to be someone else.

2+2 and ConJelCo reserve the right to refuse to post or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, that, in its sole discretion, are unacceptable, undesirable, or in violation of this Agreement. Continued abuse will result in your being banned from posting on the 2+2 website."



Exactly how does criticizing a player’s play qualify as an offense that warrants a suspension? Certainly personal attacks would qualify, but strategic differences of opinion do not qualify.

Secondarily, is it the Moderator’s intention to only apply the “policy” to “Tiffany” related posts or will this policy be enforced for all members. I see player after player being referred to as “donks” and worse. Chris Moneymaker, Greg Reymer and Phil Hellmuth have taken their fare share of “abuse” so where are all those member suspensions? Pick any subject and you will consistently find violations of the “Terms of Usage.”

If you expect all the members to follow rules, then the Moderations must follow the rules too—not just when it is convenient for them. The Moderators must be impartial to all disputes and specifically not become emotionally involved.

I believe the Moderators owe the members of this board an explanation of this inconsistent enforcement of the rules. Obviously, the Moderators have made a serious error and a significant injustice followed—they have punished some members, but not others.

It is my opinion that the Moderators owe the membership an apology, and need to make restitution to the members they selectively and emotionally punished. The Moderators need to equally and fairly administer to rules and take responsibility when they make mistakes.

Respectfully,

Michael
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Old 11-09-2005, 05:45 PM
mosch mosch is offline
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Default Re: I\'m very sorry

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people can direct their anger and disappointment at me.

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Mat:

I'm not going to get angry or disappointed at a forum website.

I am considering granting your implied wish of never visiting your site, or purchasing 2+2 books again. You need to apologize, first to Paul Philips and then again to the forum.

It is my policy to hold my vendors to high standards, and that policy is now extended to authors who have sold me large quantities of books.

I think this is a shame since 2+2 books are among the best in poker, but this is not sufficient cause to provide further financial support to crybabies.

Best Wishes,
Mosch
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
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I rarely post; nobody here will miss me. I won't even pretend that your advertisers will notice that I've stopped clicking through from your web site.

And I'm out of here.
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:16 PM
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Holy [censored], mbraudel, you're [censored] LEAVING MAN???

Wow... never thought I'd see this day.

Holy [censored] it's the JFK assassination all over again.
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Old 11-10-2005, 01:19 AM
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Posted by mbraudel:
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I rarely post; nobody here will miss me. I won't even pretend that your advertisers will notice that I've stopped clicking through from your web site.

And I'm out of here.

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Posted by istewart:
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Holy [censored], mbraudel, you're [censored] LEAVING MAN???

Wow... never thought I'd see this day.

Holy [censored] it's the JFK assassination all over again.

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Is this supposed to be funny? mbraudel was clearly not implying that these boards would suffer in content from his departure. He's making the point that there are many who do a lot of reading but not a lot of posting, and large numbers of these folks will be so offended by TPT's conduct that they will not visit the site anymore. That's reduced traffic. Reduced revenue.

Sure, it doesn't affect you (but judging strictly by the number of your posts, you do more talking than listening anyway). But if you think that reduced traffic is insignificant to TPT, I have a strong suspicion that you suck at business.
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:16 PM
SeattleJake SeattleJake is offline
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Default just chop the pot, already

I wonder what the probability is of a table full of poker pros dropping their egos.
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:24 PM
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>>Paul, we are considering granting your wish of never allowing you to post here again. You need to appologize, first to us privately, and then to the forum.<<

I wonder what kind of person would abase himself in this way just to remain a 'member' of the 2+2 'community'.

Seems to me there is something deeper going on here.

I'll probably get sitebanned for making this observation. So be it.
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:29 PM
davehwm davehwm is offline
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What a joke.

P.S. I just have to ask, why hasn't the original post been deleted yet?
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: I\'m very sorry

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>>Paul, we are considering granting your wish of never allowing you to post here again. You need to appologize, first to us privately, and then to the forum.<<

I wonder what kind of person would abase himself in this way just to remain a 'member' of the 2+2 'community'.

Seems to me there is something deeper going on here.

I'll probably get sitebanned for making this observation. So be it.

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Exactly, This seems like an April Fool's joke except it's not even close to April. Plus why would Paul apologize when he can keep on making accounts? Even if you IP ban him, I'm sure he can find a way around that.

Seriously, if Paul wanted to, he'd become a massive troll here and there really wouldn't be anything you can do about it.
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:31 PM
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