More on tipping (story from tonight). Don't be like this guy. - Page 11

BeantownCaller · #**101** 03-01-2005, 01:27 AM

This has been a good post to read but Randy you need to shove it with your degree this and degree that talk. It's getting old and makes this thread unreadable. You can wipe your ass with an undergrad degree these days. I don't have one and the fact you do doesn't mean you'd be a better dealer than me (if we both did it for the same amount of time). That's absolute garbage, maybe your standard college grad should be better paid than a smelly gin swilling hobo, but no one is paying a dealer more because they graduated from Yale, just like they're not paying the guy driving the garbage truck more than the guy picking up the garbage just cuz he managed to get a C in senior spanish. Good day to you sir.

RunDownHouse · #**102** 03-01-2005, 01:37 AM

College degrees are a quick proxy for higher qualifications. There is no argument to be had here.

Randy_Refeld · #**103** 03-01-2005, 03:22 AM

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That's absolute garbage, maybe your standard college grad should be better paid than a smelly gin swilling hobo, but no one is paying a dealer more because they graduated from Yale, just like they're not paying the guy driving the garbage truck more than the guy picking up the garbage just cuz he managed to get a C in senior spanish. Good day to you sir.

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The main thing that determines the wage that someone works for is their next best alternative. Nobody owns the right to another person's labor so if you want a certain quality of labor you must pay the appripiate wage rate. This was originally in repsonse to what would be a fair wage level if there was no tipping. Before you can answer teh question of fair compensation you ahve to make a decision about what quality of dealers you want; as you pay a higher wage you attract better people to the industry, as you pay a lower wage the employees that have other options go do something else.

RR

MicroBob · #**104** 03-01-2005, 03:38 AM

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So it feels acceptable to you that any retail employee at a point of sale can put a tip cup out AND not even feel any compunction to say "Thank You?"

Maybe they wouldn't feel so "uncomfortable" about saying "Thank You" if they were not begging for extra money above their wages while performing jobs which traditionally do not include tips as part of compensation.

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I'm not a big fan of tip-jars in general.

But the tipping etiquette of tip-jars seems to go along with tipping a waiter/waitress at a restaurant. That is....the server practically pretends not to see the tip at all and doesn't give a thank-you.

The only exception to this is if I pay a $16 check with a $20...the waitress says "I'll be back with you change" and I say "that's okay. it's not necessary." and THEN they acknowledge the tip my saying "thank you. come again."

but otherwise....when I eat at a restaurant they typically say "thank you" when they give me the check BEFORE I have even tipped. They are just saying thank-you for eating there in the first place...not for the tip.
This is very similar to the etiquette for the tip-jar at the donut-shop imo.

Again...I'm not a big fan of tip jars for the most part. But it's used in many bars (for example)....and I don't have a problem with it at the coffee-place I hang out at. Because i know they are basically making $5 or $6 an hour or whatever and it wouldn't work as well in this particular place to leave one's tip on the table.

Additionally...with a tip-jar I always have the option of them having ZERO idea how MUCH i'm tipping.
When they're fixing my iced-latte I can drop some change in the tip-box...they hear the change and are thankful that I'm giving something to them...but they don't really know whether it's $2 or $0.15.

The idea of HAVING to leave 15-20% on the restaurant table irks me more actually and them kind of judging you based on how much you tip really bugs me. But that's just an issue I have with tipping in general I guess.

PhatCasino · #**105** 03-01-2005, 04:35 AM

to add to this.. in terms of giving small tips, like bell hops, bellmen, and those annoying guys who open the taxi cab door for you expecting a $1..... Look, if i have the dollar ready for you and you deserve it fine.. but no way in hell ima go looking in my pocket for a buck when there are tons, and i mean tons of $100s just waiting to be dropped or seen ... LOL just my half-fast take

Clarkmeister · #**106** 03-01-2005, 04:36 AM

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Just out of curiosity, if tipping were eliminated from both tourney and ring game play and dealing became a salary-only job, what do you think a fair wage for a dealer would be?

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The13atman · #**107** 03-01-2005, 05:00 AM

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It isn't a HIGHLY skilled job, sorry. Not saying some of you aren't much better than others.......not saying anyone could do it either.......I say it is the equivalent to bartending. Your personality has a lot to do with how good you are. But making that much I think is silly.

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Ding ding.

I think someone said dealers should make $38,000 per year starting and $59,000 after 15 years? Absolutely crazy. $28,000 starting and $44,000 after 15 years and I even think that may be too generous.

And yes, for the record, I am a good tipper.

charlie_t_jr · #**108** 03-01-2005, 04:54 PM

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The winner flipped a blue chip to the dealer who, according to tradition, whacked it on the tray

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This is an incorrect procedure. The dealer shoudl tap the chip on the table to show the supervisor "look this is mine and I am taking it to my pocket." Hitting the rack to make noise is soliciting a tip and is to be avoided.

Randy Refeld

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Really? That's interesting, because I think every dealer (BJ&Poker) almost 99.9% of them tap the tray. In Tunica by the way.

Randy_Refeld · #**109** 03-01-2005, 05:02 PM

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Really? That's interesting, because I think every dealer (BJ&Poker) almost 99.9% of them tap the tray. In Tunica by the way.

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Yes that is what I normally see; I have no knowledge of correct BK procedure so I can't comment on that. In general anything that draws attention to some people tipping and others not tipping should be avoided.

Randy Refeld

Trainwreck · #**110** 03-01-2005, 05:21 PM

The fool needed the money for his lobotomy, no worries...

A$$holes ALWAYS get theirs in the END! [pardon the pun]

Some form or another....

I was under the 3%-4% as a general rule of thumb, except when insanely high amount is won.

If the tournament was poorly run and the dealers all asses themselves, then $4 sounds about right.

Give you an example, I had made a final table, and management REFUSED to give us a break, before or during the 4-4.5 hours of FT...

I look back now, we tipped, I shouldn't take it out on the dealers, but that BS non-break really made us all mad, 3 folks during it had to RUN back and forth to the can.... it was not that close to the room... I luckily had not consumed anything that night.

Tipping is optional... some people just don't know or care...

>TW<