What global warming? - Page 11

theBruiser500 · #**101** 11-27-2004, 10:59 PM

Cyrus, not just Risk of Ruin, but range of consequences too.

Il_Mostro · #**102** 11-28-2004, 06:00 AM

Just a few things, I think you already know all this, but anyway..
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I'm not so sure that we will run out of fossil fuels.

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Depending on what you mean, but there will "always" be fossil fuels left in the ground that we cannot get to.

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here are 6 trillion barrels of oil in the form of tar sands in the Northwest territories alone.

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True, or at least there is a lot of oil there, exactly how much is of course open for speculation. However, it is not possible to harvest that oil on any reasonable scale. By reasonable I mean that we cannot take up slack due to depletion from conventional oil by using tar sands or shale oil. Plus the environmental effect on trying would be absolutely devastating, beyond you wildest nightmare.

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We have enough coal in the US to last 200 years.

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True, but slightly misleading. The guess is that there is 200 years of coal at current consumption level, If we try to switch back to coal from oil, thus raising usage, there will not be 200 years worth. Plus that the net energy on harvesting coal (i.e. the energy you get from the coal minus the energy spend to mine the coal) are falling. Some scientist say that in a 50 year timeframe mining coal will actually be a losing propsition, from an energy standpoint.

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The cost of energy, pollution, and global warming are going to become much bigger problems before we run out IMO.

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Absolutely true, if nothing else because there is a conciderable slack here, the effects of us burning fossil fuels are not imidate, I've read things like it takes 50 years for the effect to bloom in full.

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By the time our kids are driving cars,

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Depending on how old you are, I wouldn't bet that they ever will...

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So many people don't want to listen and they think we can just sort it out as we go. This is not the case when it comes to energy.

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True without a doubt.

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We need technology.

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Trouble of course is that there might not be a "techno-fix" to the problem

Mason Malmuth · #**103** 11-28-2004, 06:26 AM

Hi Izverg04:

I haven't read the other posts so this may already be covered. You wrote:

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Fact 5. I like it when it's warm. I'd be much more scared of the prospect of global cooling

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My understanding is that warm water flows from the Atlantic under the Artic ice cap into the Pacific. The theory is that after enough global warming this "pump" will stop. (Why it's suppose to stop is beyond my knowledge.) And when it stops, an ice age begins. So global warming may cause an ice age, and it only takes about ten years to make the switch.

Best wishes,
Mason

wacki · #**104** 11-28-2004, 06:39 AM

Yes Malmuth is right, add a few more degrees C to this planet and this conveyer belt will stop.

When that happens Europe will turn into an ice cube.

Il_Mostro · #**105** 11-28-2004, 06:44 AM

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When that happens Europe will turn into an ice cube.

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I need to stock up on whisky [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Broken Glass Can · #**106** 11-28-2004, 06:56 AM

<font color="red"> Mason
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Global warming is caused by the overuse of red user names on forums around the world. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I recently watched "The Day After Tomorrow" about the onset of a new Ice Age from global warning. What a piece of PC craap.

ChristinaB · #**107** 11-28-2004, 10:52 AM

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What a piece of PC craap.

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Izverg04 · #**108** 11-28-2004, 10:57 AM

Hi Mason,

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Yes Malmuth is right, add a few more degrees C to this planet and this conveyer belt will stop. When that happens Europe will turn into an ice cube.

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I also was taught in school that the Gulf Stream keeps Europe warm. But it seems that you missed the recent findings that most of the warming comes not from the Gulf Stream but from western winds. Here is the press release from Columbia:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/03/0..._research.html

In any case, we'd probably want to avoid shutting down the Gulf Stream. I don't know how plausible such a possibility is.

wacki, I wish you would be a bit more scientific in your approach to this discussion. The more I read your posts the more unlikely it seems that you've had scientific education (meaning Ph.D). You are too rigid and self-assured about scientific questions outside your field that are not even close to being settled yet.

Broken Glass Can · #**109** 11-28-2004, 12:12 PM

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What a piece of PC craap.

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Nice to see that you are so welcoming to new posters. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
Is this a no-free speech zone?

Il_Mostro · #**110** 11-28-2004, 02:14 PM

You are most welcome to speak you mind. But if you expect to be taken seriously you have to back up your statements with facts and reason. Now, I havn't seen the movie, but according to what I've read it's not very scientic or even very good. But calling it PC crap without even a slight bit of reasoning behind will only give you ridicule.