Design review for the Pharaoh's Club Paulson chips

[ott]

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I feel compelled to say the following:

1) I doubt that Paulson is going to budge on color, edge spots or mold
2) I'm happy enough with the CdIC chips at Dice702, that I'd sooner buy them than take a chance on another brand
3) If this buy goes ahead with Paulson, I'm in. Otherwise, I'll prolly just get the CdICs instead.

TenPercenter's definitely the bee's knees when it comes to designing chips, and I'd be delighted to buy more of his, but I do have my standards.

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AcePokerChipCompany (aka PaulsonsChips) over on TH Forum just said that Paulson won't budge on mold, inlay size or edgespot colors.

[duma]

if we were to buy 100,000 chips, im sure that any company would atleast listen to our demands. we might even be able to pull off a set of Bud Jones if we try hard enough. like a post earlier said, money talks.

[ott]

I doubt that. Apache Poker chips bought probably at least 100,000 chips and they had no say in the inlay size or the mold or the colors.

GPI (Paulson) barely got back into the home market probably thanks to Trademark Poker and they probably didn't have any say in the mold design. If they couldn't get Paulson to budge on the colors, why do you think we as consumers can do it when a distributor the size of Trademark couldn't?

Don't count on GPI thinking $100,000 gonna even make a trickle in their bottom line when they have majority of the casinos in the world as their clientele.

I'm not trying to be a downer but I'm being realistic.

[TenPercenter]

Apparently trademark bought (or at least committed to) at least a million chips. So if they couldn't budge Paulson, I don't know.

There was an interesting note found on trademark today:

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http://trademarkpoker.com/paulson.asp: Due do a mold improvement requested by our customers, we have been forced to move back the delivery date to April 17th. We apologize for the inconvenience. Standard Stock Chips will be available April 17th, 2005.

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I'm pretty sure I know what this means. I bet they are shrinking the inlay are of the mold to match standard inlays. This is GREAT news. (If I'm right). I don't mind having a standard inlay if the area for it matches. What looks goofy to me is the small inlay with "blank" flat area left around it.

Ten

[Medisin]

The reply I got from Matsui when asking them about clay chip samples (important part in red):

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Dear Tommy,

My name is Jennifer Anderton, I am the Business Development Coordinator for
Matsui Europe. I am glad to hear you are interested in our products. Matsui
has over 25 years experience in selling and manufacturing chips and
accessories for the casino market.

We have numerous different styles of chips. ranging from wheelchecks at 0.65
euro each ,10 designs in 7 standard colours, minimum order 100 pcs. Decal
chip with a minimum order of 1,000pcs starting at 1.05 euro each with an
artwork charge of 250.00 euro in colours of your choice. The heavy weight
gold chips start from 2.60 euro each. We also are in the process of
designing some coin chips especially for poker use in 4 denominations of
1,10,25 and 100. I am awaiting prices for these.

<font color="red">With regards to the clay chips, these have now been discontinued.</font> The
Wheelcheck and coin chips are much more durable, sustain less damage, wear
and tear.

If you require any further information or you would like some samples of our
other chips, please feel free to contact me again.

Kind Regards

Jennifer Anderton
Business Development Co-ordinator


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I don't know if the same applies for US customers or not, or if this is an issue when making a large custom order..

[jojobinks]

that's funny. here's my response, via email this morning.


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Thank you for your interested in our chips.

I would send some sample chips and our brochures soon.

Meantime, Here I send some pictures of our clay chips for your reference. Please find the attachment.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

Best regards,

Jin K.(Jinny) Sun
Matsui Gaming Machine Co.,Ltd.
Tel : 81-3-5467-5362
Fax : 81-3-5467-5218
E-mail : jinnysun@matsui-gaming.co.jp
Web-site : www.matsui-gaming.co.jp

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[Accident]

Ok, enough of the bullshit run-around. Someone find a dang pressure molding machine and I'll buy the sucker and we'll make our own dang chips! Might be cheaper.
Accident [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[jojobinks]

Ten:

how much do we know about whether this is possible? are you waiting until you're sure you've got 100k ordered? or is it reasonable to go to paulson and present the hypothetical?

and, on a side note, do you plan to do mockups of the rest of the chips? you never answered what your thoughts were on graphics for the other denominations. same inlay/different shape? that seemed to be the popular consensus, but you haven't commented.

[jojobinks]

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My second choice would be ASM/pokerchips.com. The horsehead mold. Possibly the A mold, but not the Roman mold.

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will pokerchips.com do 2 color spots? again, do we need to wait until we're firm on 100k, or can we ask them "what if"?

[TenPercenter]

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Ten:

how much do we know about whether this is possible? are you waiting until you're sure you've got 100k ordered? or is it reasonable to go to paulson and present the hypothetical?

and, on a side note, do you plan to do mockups of the rest of the chips? you never answered what your thoughts were on graphics for the other denominations. same inlay/different shape? that seemed to be the popular consensus, but you haven't commented.

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Yes, I will do mockups of all the chips. Different shaped inlays, slightly different graphics, but very close cohesion between denominations. I'll forward all details once we get to that stage.

Everyone please be patient. I mentioned in the first post that this is a "design direction" post and not really meant for the order discussion. There are no deals, there is no price, there are no hard numbers. Paulson isn't even delivering their second batch of home chips until the middle of April, so there's no rush. If anyone needs Paulson chips right away, I suggest getting some James Bonds.

The Pharaoh's Club chips are going to be done right, and with a good price. I'm not making rush decisions on the first day of discussions. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] We've got time to work everything out.

Ten