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#93
11-15-2005, 09:19 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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I'm sorry but I don't see what not capping the flop has to do with the decision on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Let also ask you y you didn't cap the flop I personally think it helps to define sb's hand a bit better. 
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#94
11-15-2005, 09:19 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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[ QUOTE ] A donkbet says a lot less than a checkraise. [/ QUOTE ] But we're not planning to Raise/fold a donk bet are we? [/ QUOTE ] You just blew my mind.
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#95
11-15-2005, 09:22 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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[ QUOTE ] Now that we've formed two camps what're the results? [/ QUOTE ] No no no no no. [/ QUOTE ] Ahhh you're never going to tell us are you?
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#96
11-15-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] A donkbet says a lot less than a checkraise. [/ QUOTE ] But we're not planning to Raise/fold a donk bet are we? [/ QUOTE ] You just blew my mind. [/ QUOTE ] I was going for sarcasm.. did not work. My point is that a donk bet is close to a insta-call. In the original hand a check-raise would suck, but with th pot so big and our read so shaky... I just think it is an easy call. As I said earlier, I think if you are going to fold to a checkraise on this without a solid read you are better off checking. Because one Bad fold... negates quite a few of those "neutral EV" "value bets" .
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#97
11-15-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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[ QUOTE ] Now that we've formed two camps what're the results? [/ QUOTE ] No no no no no. [/ QUOTE ] I am not real concered about results. I am more concerned to understand the thinking behind the opinions. So why no cap on the flop?
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#98
11-15-2005, 09:37 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
flair i think thats entirely wrong. folding to a checkraise adds immediate value to a bet. in fact, it adds significant value to a bet.
getting 18:1 to call a river checkraise, if you think a fold is correct it means that you dont believe a bet has 1/18th in value. this means that KK extracts 1 and ~1/18th of a bet against you when he has this holding whereas you extract 1 bet against AA. as proven by combos, AA is twice as likely as KK which means that if you feel you can fold to a checkraise that a value bet has the +ev of almost an entire half bet! it seems that you think you should check if you feel you need to fold to a checkraise because you dont trust your own judgment in poker. we should all trust our own judgment. clearly if we didnt trust our judgment that a fold is correct then the safe route is to just call the checkraise. as shown, even if we call the checkraise the bet is profitable by a slight margin. folding adds significant value onto the bet.
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#99
11-15-2005, 09:47 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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I'm sorry but I don't see what not capping the flop has to do with the decision on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Who said it had anything to do with the river? I still feel the flop should be played out this way as I nearly c/r a blank on the turn w/AA, KK. Like I said, if you didn't be the river, you misplayed every street.
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#100
11-15-2005, 09:47 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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[ QUOTE ] I'm sorry but I don't see what not capping the flop has to do with the decision on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Who said it had anything to do with the river? I still feel the flop should be played out this way as I nearly c/r a blank on the turn w/AA, KK. [/ QUOTE ] The person I replied to said [ QUOTE ] I think by not capping the flop we have put ourselves in postion to either Check behind on the river or Bet call. [/ QUOTE ]
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