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i don't know. barry bonds won an awful lot of mvp's in a row.

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All for his defense, I'm sure.


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this is out of context. you said the voters like to mix it up. but barry is not a below average fielder.

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Contributing to wins is the very definition of value. I would argue that the measurement of contribution to wins regardless of how that contribution was made is the important thing.

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there has been debate over this. many voters seemed to think that arod's production on a last place team was good enough. he did not have many win shares.

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Really, I'm not sure we are very far apart here. I think we're both close to saying the same thing.


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probably, i am done with this thread now.

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I don't know the Yanks #'s out of the DH spot this year. But say you put A-Rod @ DH, and a player with the Yanks DH #'s at third, who was but an average defensive player. How many more games do your really think the Yankees would have lost?

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i am lost here. really, no idea what your point is. also, your runs worth = runs produced + runs saved makes some sense, but fielders save a whole lot more runs than any one hitter produces. it also ignores the whole "clutch" thing that ortiz fans like to bring up.

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Is it really A-Rod's defense that makes him so great?

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arod is great because he is such a well-rounded player. he is a threat everywhere he plays. field, batter's box, on the bases. there are greater hitters, and there are greater fielders. he is best all-around.

[andyfox]

Yount, Kent, A-Rod, I-Rod, Rizzuto, Boyer . . . these come to mind just now as players whose defense contributed to their winning the MVP award.

When you pick the MVP you try to pick the most valuable player. A player who doesn't play on defense is at a disadvantage.

Mo Vaughn won his MVP because the voters hated Albert Belle. With good reason.

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despite thinking arods having a better year, I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] my papi!!!

his dangelo commercial is danutz

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despite thinking arods having a better year, I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] my papi!!!

his dangelo commercial is danutz

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You'll come around eventually. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

And I like the cookie.

[DougOzzzz]

Now would be a good time for another one.

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WHEW

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If a team is willing to walk you to pitch to Manny Rameriz, you're pretty [censored] good.

[DougOzzzz]

I knew he could do it. Big Papi wins it again.

[pokerdirty]

don't you know there's a red sox thread?

[censored] luckboxes. that's horrible managing. put in huston [censored] street.