How do atheist\scientists account for Thomas Aquinas? - Page 10

David Sklansky · #91 07-24-2005, 09:26 PM

Required for what?

The once and future king · #92 07-24-2005, 09:37 PM

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Which also means neither logic nor morality can exist.

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Yuk.

Cant believe this isnt the assertation under attack. We have lived under god for so long that even atheists cant begin to think of a system of meaning that can be valid unless it relational to him.

Also as regard logic.

NEWSFLASH: Whole concept of logic invented by Pre Christian Pagans.

Read some fecking Aristotle.

Me on Phone to Greek Guy inventing logic.

Me: Hey greek guy better put those plans for systematic investigation of problems on the shelf.

Greek Guy: WTF

Me: Yea you have to wait about 1500 years till the birth of Christ.

GG:WTF

Me: Hes going to tell us about God, and obviously you cant have logic without God. It would be, well illogical.

GG:WTF

NotReady · #93 07-24-2005, 10:50 PM

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Required for what?

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To believe that logic and morality exist.

So what?

Nothing. You are free to believe that logic and morality don't exist.

So what?

So live like it. Don't think rationally or morally.

What then?

Then Hitler was right and the allies were right and neither was right.

So what?

So nothing. Choose to be free. Choose Hitler. Choose the allies. So what?

David Sklansky · #94 07-24-2005, 10:57 PM

You finally got it.

NotReady · #95 07-24-2005, 11:00 PM

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You finally got it.

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Thanks for the help.

The once and future king · #96 07-25-2005, 06:38 AM

Both wrong. David you are just Notreadys shadow. Dosnt it bother you that your postion wouldnt be possibly without the concept of a Christian God. You are just the absence to notreadys presence.

When one kills god one must kill his absence as well. It must be as though he never existed.

Now that we can choose Hitler the possibility of ought is avaialable. Ought is available because if God existed then there would be simply be one must not choose Hitler, or one Must choose to oppose Hitler. Ought isnt possible untill we remove God.

The reasons that will determine what we ought to do then, must be manifest in the world as there is simply no other place for them to be.

They must be manifest in the world and relational to me as a subjective being in the world, as there is simply no other possible relationship.

More simply Ought is relational to choice (this is intuitive to everyone, choice must exist for there to be an ought.) and the effect of choice upon me as a relational subject. To arive at decisions about ought we must therefore examine choice and the effect of choice upon subjectivity. Or the effect of my choices upon my existance. I dont mean material consequences, but qualatitive consequences upon that which is existing, or Being.

When one does this thoroughly one arrives at firm conclusions about ought.

David Sklansky · #97 07-25-2005, 08:25 AM

I have no idea what you are talking about. Anyway it seems to me that it is YOU who is in lockstep with Not Ready. Because you and him both want "meaning". There is no meaning. We are all poodles. Except we have brains that teach us to postpone gratification. And maybe even derive enjoyment from watching children laugh. Or feel bad when we see someone suffer. But those feelings (with very rare exceptions) are not derived from philosophical or religious musings but are simply the product of biological evolution. Nothing more.

NotReady · #98 07-25-2005, 11:26 AM

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But those feelings (with very rare exceptions) are not derived from philosophical or religious musings but are simply the product of biological evolution. Nothing more.

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If that's all they are why would anyone start a thread like this?

Answered Prayers

And why would anyone say something like this?
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The reasons such statements are disgusting, especially when life and death is involved, is because of the tremendous insensitivety it shows toward many others.

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Since everything is the product of evolution why be disgusted at something?

NotReady · #99 07-25-2005, 11:27 AM

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When one does this thoroughly one arrives at firm conclusions about ought.

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So what ought one do, choose Hitler or the allies, and why?

superleeds · #**100** 07-25-2005, 11:38 AM

Mr Aquinas after acheiving erection put his penis into Mrs Aquianas's vagina. After some rhtymic pumping he ejaculated and one of his sperm fertilized with an egg from Mrs Aquianas. 9 months later, little Tommy was born. (I have heard a rumor that Mr Aquianas was a bit partial to some back door action and did go back for seconds on Mrs Aquianas but I have as yet found no scientific evidence of pooper action.)