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11-18-2005, 04:46 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] First off they have control over the fruits of their labor, there is no government to tell them what to do. Secondly just because there is a collectivist system in place does notmean life will regress to a mediocre standard. that is a made up point by anti communists (as i have already stated) [/ QUOTE ] If they have control over the fruits of their labor (ie. they don't have to share them) then that isn't communism. Do you understand basic math? If everyone shares equally then everyone has an average life. [/ QUOTE ] Semantically you are correct, the term used for the communist lifestyle wouldbe average. This average does not need to be a low standard of living, it could very be what the upper class lives as now. EDIT: this is unlikely since the only reason the upper class are able to live as they do is beacause there are others who live a squalid lifestyle, theplanet cannot support extravagance for all. 
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#93
11-18-2005, 04:48 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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Modern Liberalism is Communism light. All of the core philosophies are the same. The only difference is the power to implement the full plan. [/ QUOTE ] I never doubted this. It was the open support for communism that surprised (and frieghtened?) me.
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#94
11-18-2005, 04:49 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
"from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs"
jobs based on aptitude "ethnographic data indicated that hunter-gatherers worked far fewer hours and enjoyed more leisure than typical members of industrial society, and they still ate well" less work with same gain. please dont make me repaet myself anymore
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#95
11-18-2005, 04:50 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here people are born into a situation where they have limited employment and almost no chance to escape to a larger market. [/ QUOTE ] Like communism? [/ QUOTE ] umm, communism is an economic ideal, not a situation involving people being stuck in limited markets. Your sloganering makes you look stupid [/ QUOTE ] Duuuuuuhhhh. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If you'd like to discuss this topic in a legitimate way, im all for it. However, if you are going to be a [censored] then I'm finished and I'll just put you on the ignore list. [/ QUOTE ] What's your problem? I never insulted you and I responded to your insult in a lighthearted way. And then I made a post with content after I posted the Duh one. If you can't debate something when you and the person disagree over major points maybe you should put everyone on the ignore list and talk to yourself.
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#96
11-18-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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"from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" jobs based on aptitude "ethnographic data indicated that hunter-gatherers worked far fewer hours and enjoyed more leisure than typical members of industrial society, and they still ate well" less work with same gain. please dont make me repaet myself anymore [/ QUOTE ] I'll repeat myself again, we're not debating the ideal, only the impossibility.
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#97
11-18-2005, 04:52 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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umm, i was referring to humans in my post, im not sure what species you are talking about, nor there various ways of catching "cheaters" [/ QUOTE ] You referred to my example of evolution, which included other species.
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#98
11-18-2005, 04:52 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here people are born into a situation where they have limited employment and almost no chance to escape to a larger market. [/ QUOTE ] Like communism? [/ QUOTE ] umm, communism is an economic ideal, not a situation involving people being stuck in limited markets. Your sloganering makes you look stupid [/ QUOTE ] Duuuuuuhhhh. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If you'd like to discuss this topic in a legitimate way, im all for it. However, if you are going to be a [censored] then I'm finished and I'll just put you on the ignore list. [/ QUOTE ] What's your problem? I never insulted you and I responded to your insult in a lighthearted way. And then I made a post with content after I posted the Duh one. If you can't debate something when you and the person disagree over major points maybe you should put everyone on the ignore list and talk to yourself. [/ QUOTE ] I posted that a while ago, before you redemmed yourself with a creditable post.
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#99
11-18-2005, 04:53 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" jobs based on aptitude "ethnographic data indicated that hunter-gatherers worked far fewer hours and enjoyed more leisure than typical members of industrial society, and they still ate well" less work with same gain. please dont make me repaet myself anymore [/ QUOTE ] I'll repeat myself again, we're not debating the ideal, only the impossibility. [/ QUOTE ] how is what i posted impossible?
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#100
11-18-2005, 04:55 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" jobs based on aptitude "ethnographic data indicated that hunter-gatherers worked far fewer hours and enjoyed more leisure than typical members of industrial society, and they still ate well" less work with same gain. please dont make me repaet myself anymore [/ QUOTE ] I'll repeat myself again, we're not debating the ideal, only the impossibility. [/ QUOTE ] how is what i posted impossible? [/ QUOTE ] The selfishness, etc. we were talking about earlier. And the sheer number of people (that hasn't been brought up yet).
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