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06-10-2004, 01:03 AM
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Re: 10-20 at borgata.
I'm with Joe. Seriously, and I mean this as nicely as possible, it's better to learn at low limits. If you're asking these questions and trying to improve, it's easier to learn at games where people are AWFUL and even if you're average you can be ahead.
As you move up in limits, the games get tougher. So, if you're having trouble with 10/20 decisions, it might be better to get yourself grounded in the fundamentals at a lower limit. Sorry Joe if that's not what you meant, but I really am assuming it was. 
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#6
06-10-2004, 02:10 PM
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Re: 10-20 at borgata.
Dear Ulisses.I've seen a post about you having QQ which was similar with my post and my play.If you gonna tell me just how bad I suck at least give a alternative for my play.It is aggravating when you are much smarter (like you trying to act)but if you are not going beyond the "you suck" part,you are not showing me that you are smart.And the reason that i'm replying is only to tell you this.I answered to Clark couse he was rude and pathetic in trying to entertain himself and the others(obviously he thinks he has talent in writting)with a simple concenre of mine.IF YOU ALL GENIOUS MINDS DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEBODY WRITES ISN'T THE BEST JUST TO IGNORE THAT POST,OR BY THINKING THAT YOU ARE SMART YOU THINK THAT ITS OK TO BASH ANYONE YOU PLEASE.iF IT'S SO THAT DON'T COMPLAINT WHEN YOU GET PAYED WITH THE SAME COIN.
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#7
06-10-2004, 04:34 PM
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Re: 10-20 at borgata.
You really need to know the answer to this question, seriously. Unlike others in this thread, this response is not intended to demean you.
If you don't know the answer instinctively, get a calculator and figure it out. HINT: A full house beats a flush.
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#8
06-10-2004, 04:42 PM
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Re: 10-20 at borgata.
scalafab,
I think the general concensus here is that you played that hand rather poorly. Although the tone of some of the messages may not have been to your liking, I think you should really take the messages to heart. Seeing how you really didn't provide much information about the hand as it played out, maybe you could help us understand you thinking by walking us through the hand. [ QUOTE ] I have Two black sixes on the BB got two limpers before MP a preatty solid player raises. [/ QUOTE ] You called this player "solid". What kind of hands do you think he might be raising here? Suited connectors? Pair? two face cards? Have you considered that being in the BB you will be acting before him on every subsequent round? Let's say this solid player only plays face cards, suited Aces and pairs. If he has a pair bigger than 66s, you are in big trouble. Even if he has two face cards you are only a slight favorite (if you are heads up). So is it really worth it to call his raise? [ QUOTE ] Everybody but the last position and SB folds.I aslo call. [/ QUOTE ] Last position being the button? What kind of hands do you think the button/SB would call a raise with (especially knowing the raiser is "pretty solid")? What kind of hands could they be holding that would have been good enough to limp and then call? So at this point it seems like there are four players here: SB, You (BB), MP (solid player), button (last position). Is it possible here that any of them could have a pair? Suited cards? [ QUOTE ] Flop Qd 4d 6d.I check ,UTG checks, solid player bets. Everybody folds, I raise, UTG loose player 3 bets it solid player caps it. [/ QUOTE ] Here it gets a little confusing. Based on what you said earlier it sounded like the SB is still in it. And now a mystery UTG player is here. Are we 5 handed? You said in a later post that you put the solid player on possibly AA or maybe AQ. Is it possible that his A might be the A of diamonds? You raise here. You're sending the message that you have a strong hand. Maybe you already made your flush, or maybe you made a set. But one player raises you and another re-raises you. Did you consider the possibility that maybe one or both have caught a flush here? from a later post [ QUOTE ] I did put the strong player in AA,KK or AQ. So I called. [/ QUOTE ] That's fine if you are head's up with the strong player, but there is still the UTG to consider. What do you put him on? Again, are two diamonds or at least the Ad beyond consideration? [ QUOTE ] The turn was a black rag.I checked, UTG did bet, the strong player called, I called. [/ QUOTE ] Is this a "rag" that could make a straight draw (ie a 2 or an 8)? Would the "loose" UTG stay in with, say the 35 or 57 of diamonds (or offsuit) and this rag just made his OESD? I think the point that others were trying to make were that to be playing at the 10/20 level, you need to be asking all the questions I've listed above. Without a read or feel for the players you need to answer the questions (and act accordingly) based on probability. Once you have played with the player long enough that you know what kind of hands he plays and how he plays them you can begin to make calls that may not be mathematically sound, but it doesn't sound like you are there yet. Now at the risk of being assaulted by mis-spelled expletives, I have to point out that posting your hand in this public forum is to request feedback, both positive and negative. You asked what other posters would do and they have told you (in their own colorful fashion). -tank
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#9
06-10-2004, 06:14 PM
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Re: 10-20 at borgata.
If he has a pair bigger than 66s, you are in big trouble. Even if he has two face cards you are only a slight favorite (if you are heads up). So is it really worth it to call his raise
When you are in the BB and there are two limpers and a raise from LP by a solid player, you can call w/66 here. If you flop a set you are very likely to make up the lack of preflop bets in flopping a set on later streets. Especially versus an aggressive player. The poster should be thinking about extracting the maximum here and not folding before the river. If indeed he has ran into set over set, tough one, you can slow down on later street and get to the showdown. Welcome to the forum, Joe Tall
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#10
06-10-2004, 06:58 PM
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Re: 10-20 at borgata.
[ QUOTE ]
Let's say this solid player only plays face cards, suited Aces and pairs. If he has a pair bigger than 66s, you are in big trouble. Even if he has two face cards you are only a slight favorite (if you are heads up). So is it really worth it to call his raise? Let's say this solid player only plays face cards, suited Aces and pairs. If he has a pair bigger than 66s, you are in big trouble. Even if he has two face cards you are only a slight favorite (if you are heads up). So is it really worth it to call his raise? [/ QUOTE ] So are you saying that calling a raise from BB with 66 is wrong???
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