Hamas founder killed

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This has killed any chance of a peaceful settlement for at least a decade.

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You're dreaming, this hasn't effected the chance of a peaceful settlement one iota.

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What are the chances Sharon will "regretfully" have to indefinitely postpone his Gaza withdrawal plan once the cycle of revenge violence gets going?

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Given that the Yassin assassanation was part of the cycle of revenge violence I'm not sure this has changed anything. What are the chances that Hamas will end it's terrorist attacks on Israel? NADA, the same as it was before Yassin was killed.

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The Israeli government is deliberately engaging in the most blatant kind of terrorist tactitcs: provoke a terrible response from the other side to justify further violence.

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I've got one for you. Just substitute "Hamas" for "The Isreali government."

Hamas is deliberately engaging in the most blatant kind of terrorist tactitcsrovoke a terrible response from the other side to justify further violence.

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Of course Hamas is engaged in similar tactics. They're a terrorist group that everyone here roundly condemns. Nevertheless, the Israeli government is now clearly playing exactly the same game.
You're the dreamer if you think this will have no bearing. The Israelis simply are not going to be able to defeat Hamas militarily. The only way to end the violence is some kind of negotiated solution that drains away support for the terrorists. Instead this is going to double it, and there is zero chance of a drop in the violence in the forseeable future. You will say that there never was such a chance but that repeated lulls and offers of ceasefires demonstrate that simply isn't true and you just demonstrate your ignorance of the situation by repeating such uninformed rhetoric.

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You're the dreamer if you think this will have no bearing.

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And you stated in another thread:

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Someone else will replace Yassin, a lot more people will die, and nothing will have been accomplished except Sharon getting a hard-on from directing another pointless killing.

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Thanks for making my case for me. Same old stuff.

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The only way to end the violence is some kind of negotiated solution that drains away support for the terrorists.

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Ok what sort? Outline the parameters and of such a solution that Hamas and Sharon will accept.

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Instead this is going to double it, and there is zero chance of a drop in the violence in the forseeable future.

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Yep more people killed at a faster rate I really can't argue with that.

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You will say that there never was such a chance but that repeated lulls and offers of ceasefires demonstrate that simply isn't true

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Considering that I haven't heard one bit of common ground between Hamas and the Israelis I think that your statement is wishful thinking. There isn't a shred of evidence to back it up.

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you just demonstrate your ignorance of the situation by repeating such uninformed rhetoric.

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Rhetoric? What post are you referring to? Where's the common ground between Hamas and the Israeli's on which a settlement can be negotiated?

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"Thanks for making my case for me. Same old stuff."

Bit early to be hitting the hard stuff isn't it. My first statement implies that this will increase Hamas activities and escalate the violence. My second implies that it will not hinder the violence. These are not quite incompatible.

"Considering that I haven't heard one bit a common ground between Hamas and the Israelis I think that your statement is wishful thinking. There isn't a shred of evidence to back it up."

Which goes to back up my uninformed charge, as Hamas repeatedly offered to implement a ceasefire in return for an end to the assassinations and incursions. There is zero chance of any such offer in the near future. Whether Hamas and Israel ahve any common ground for a long-term solution is more debatable, but Rantissi has repeatedly made it clear that an end to the occupation would see a shift to political rather than terrorist tactics. Furthermore an ened to teh occupation and Israeli atrocities would certainly see a huge drop in support for terrorist tactics.

Whatever guys. Keep on with the current tactics. They've done so well in bringing peace to the region.

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You write:

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This has killed any chance of a peaceful settlement for at least a decade.

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I respond:

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You're dreaming, this hasn't effected the chance of a peaceful settlement one iota.

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Then you respond:

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You're the dreamer if you think this will have no bearing.

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I contrast this quote with your statement:

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Someone else will replace Yassin, a lot more people will die, and nothing will have been accomplished except Sharon getting a hard-on from directing another pointless killing.

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It's never to early to hit the hard stuff [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. All I'm pointing out is that the status quo remains in effect. Nothing has changed. The Israeli's position hasn't changed and neither has the position of Hamas. How could something that maintains the status quo have any effect on a negotiated peace settlement? Zero times 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 is precisely zero. Read it there is no chance, nada, squat, not a snowball's chance in hell for a negotiated peace settlement given the current positions of Hamas and the Israelis.

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Which goes to back up my uninformed charge, as Hamas repeatedly offered to implement a ceasefire in return for an end to the assassinations and incursions.

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So what? These offers by Hamas haven't changed the Israeli position one bit. Apparently this isn't the common ground needed for a negotiated settlement.

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Whether Hamas and Israel ahve any common ground for a long-term solution is more debatable,

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Exactly! You're starting to understand.

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Rantissi has repeatedly made it clear that an end to the occupation would see a shift to political rather than terrorist tactics. Furthermore an ened to teh occupation and Israeli atrocities would certainly see a huge drop in support for terrorist tactics.

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Apparently this doesn't provide a basis for a negotiated settlement either.

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Whatever guys. Keep on with the current tactics. They've done so well in bringing peace to the region.

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What tactics are you reffering to?