The last stand of the American Republic....

Keep one thing in mind, the phone numbers were found in cofiscated computers, phones and other devices seized from terrorists.

Had the President NOT acted on the material obtained from terrorists and there WAS an attack that killed friends, family or other Americans would you be outraged that he didn't act?



"You cannot make a poor man rich by making a rich man poor"

"Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights. What "right" did you have before Dubya's first term began that you do not have anymore?"

That is exactly how people in Mousilini's Italy thought. You should move to China so the rest of us can keep our freedom.

[Warik]

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That is exactly how people in Mousilini's Italy thought. You should move to China so the rest of us can keep our freedom.

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no no no. You are making a claim, so you are going to justify it. None of this "that's what so and so said in such and such country. Get out of America!"

You say your civil rights have been violated. Tell me how.

If you can't, then they haven't.

[Exsubmariner]

It's not the results, it's the intent that counts.

Only this is the first debate it sticks out to me that liberals are using that one to attack someone, not simply try to defend their actions.

Once they are being violated, then its too late.

I am going to pre-emptively keep it from happening.

If you live in Florida your right to vote for president was taken away. If you vote on a diebold machine, your right to vote does not exist.

[Exsubmariner]

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Once they are being violated, then its too late.

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So your rights haven't actually been violated? But you are sure that someone intends to violate them......sooooo......

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The last Democrat I heard of who could premptively do anything was John F Kennedy. This would be quite the feat. Tell me, how are you going to preemptively keep it from happening. Do tell. This should be good.

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If you live in Florida your right to vote for president was taken away.

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By whom? And how? Election Fraud? Voter Intimidation? Please.

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If you vote on a diebold machine, your right to vote does not exist.

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Those same diebold machines elected Bill Clinton and no one said they were broken then.

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If you live in Florida your right to vote for president was taken away. If you vote on a diebold machine, your right to vote does not exist.


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For a third time I'll ask you for specific citation of credible proof beyond any doubt of yet another one of your ridiculous claims that persons' rights to vote for president have been stripped or denied. Specific proof.

And for a third time I suspect my query will go conveniently unanswered.

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If you live in Florida your right to vote for president was taken away. If you vote on a diebold machine, your right to vote does not exist.


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For a third time I'll ask you for specific citation of proof beyond any doubt of yet another one of your ridiculous claims that persons' rights to vote for president have been stripped or denied. Specific proof.

And for a third time I suspect my query will go conveniently unanswered.

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1. The Supreme Court stopped the recount.

2. Do you deny there were people in Florida whose ballot had the "hanging chad" and whose votes did not count for fear of electing the man who actually won the election?

Anyway, why do you need proof to see George Bush is a moron? If it looks like a dog and it smells like a dog . . . ?

[Warik]

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Your query will go unanswered because no such answer exists.

All of the race warlords were quick to claim discrimination and disenfranchisement, yet there has not been a single lawsuit.

In Florida you do not need to even bring your voter registration nor your ID to vote. As long as you are at the right precinct and your name is on the list, you're gold.

Hell... even DEAD PEOPLE got to vote for John Kerry in the last election... What were the live peoples' excuses???????

[tylerdurden]

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If you live in Florida your right to vote for president was taken away. If you vote on a diebold machine, your right to vote does not exist.


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For a third time I'll ask you for specific citation of credible proof beyond any doubt of yet another one of your ridiculous claims that persons' rights to vote for president have been stripped or denied. Specific proof.

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Are you serious? There's plenty of documented cases of people, in florida and elsewhere, that have been improperly denied their vote. In florida specifically, many people were removed because they had names similar to some convicted felons.

Here's a story from 2004:

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB7TQUZ5VD.html

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Hundreds of people wrongly removed from voter rolls in 2000, who never committed felonies or whose rights had been restored, may not yet have been put back on the rolls.

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Spend five seconds on google and you can find a lot more documentation.

Note that while right-wingers tend to attempt to manipulate voter demographics by disqualifying voters, left-wingers tend to attempt to manipulate voter demographics by making it easier for unqualified people to get to vote. Assuming you can accurately identify qualified voters you think will vote for your opponent and get them wrongly disqualified or that you can accurately identify unqualified people that will vote for your side and get them improperly snuck into the voting booth, both tactics have the same *net* effect. The difference is that one prevents specific, identifiable people from casting votes, while the other cancels out votes of legitimate voters, but does it in a way that doesn't produce a specific, identifiable victim. Is one more reprehensible than the other?