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Old 12-29-2005, 05:08 PM
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Default Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead

Don't know my opponent. What is your standard/default line here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (9 handed)

CO ($201)
Button ($1519.10)
SB ($410)
BB ($1232)
UTG ($896.50)
UTG+1 ($1222.65)
MP1 ($970)
MP2 ($390)
Hero ($1020)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $50</font>
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead

depends on villain. either fold or call and take it away on turn.

if villain is average, this type of lead is often 77 or 88. with these guys just call and take it on turn.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:17 PM
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if villain is average, this type of lead is often 77 or 88. with these guys just call and take it on turn.

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That's what my initial thought was, a weak hand probing to see if I was missed overcards. When I have the overpair, I usually raise here, so that's what I did. Is this bad? If I have AA/KK, raising probably isn't bad, but calling should be better, right?

Anyway, I raised and he called on the turn:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (9 handed)

CO ($201)
Button ($1519.10)
SB ($410)
BB ($1232)
UTG ($896.50)
UTG+1 ($1222.65)
MP1 ($970)
MP2 ($390)
Hero ($1020)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, BB calls $100.

Turn: ($385) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks,
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:21 PM
JooWish622 JooWish622 is offline
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Default Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead

For some reason, people are less likely to read you for an overpair on a XXY flop than an XYZ flop so... he's clearly stated that he's staying with you on the flop. Personally, I would much rather call then take it away since that's what you should do on XXY flop with an overpair (way ahead or way behind) so.. your raise looks more suspicious to me than a call. A call here represents more strength than a raise IMO.

Overbet? my feeling is he'll call down if you halfpot or even pot if hes your typical non-thinking fish. this actually may be an optimal time to bet 1.5 the pot.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:46 PM
scdavis0 scdavis0 is offline
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Default Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead

Raising an overpair on this flop is non-standard
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:52 PM
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The replies are confusing me. On one hand, you guys are saying that my hand looks like a steal because overpairs don't raise here, so I'm likely to get called.. then you say I shouldn't raise here with an overpair? Why not if it will look like a missed hand and get a call?

Also, why do I want to call here with an overpair if you're also saying I can call to "take it away on the turn" by representing strength? Shouldn't I play AQ/ and AA/KK the same way each time?
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead

here's a crazy idea: muck flop.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:13 PM
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either fold or call and take it away on turn.


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I agree with the above quote, read dependant (I know you said you didn't know him though). It would help to know how often this lead means he's going to stay with you on the turn (would he lead w/ JJ here, and if so, would he fold to a turn raise?), or if it means 77, 88 (assuming they will go away). Your image might also help.

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Shouldn't I play AQ/ and AA/KK the same way each time?

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nope
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead

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here's a crazy idea: muck flop.

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you so crazy!
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: Unimproved AQo Vs. Lead

Raise, call, or fold the flop. It doesn't really matter. You definitely shouldn't do the same thing every time.
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