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Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
My game tends to be a lot of ABC poker, and I need to work on being more aggressive in situations that warrant it, such as this hand, in which I flop mid pair + OESD to a preflop raise, and then pick up a flush draw on the turn as well. I'd like thoughts on all streets as played (excluding the PF open-limp, which I know is stupid and I normally don't do) as well as potential other lines. I was basically trying to represent a set as "obviously" as possible, and still have a billion outs if I got called.
Villain is 45/32/1.75 through 40 hands. This hand breaks the converter, I'll do my best to pretty it up. Texas Hold'em $1-$1 NL (real money) Seat 1: Seat1 ($145.90 in chips) Seat 2: Seat2 ($121.50 in chips) Seat 3: Seat3 ($106.50 in chips) Seat 4: Seat4 ($59.40 in chips) Seat 5: Hero ($112.90 in chips) Seat 6: Seat6 ($146.55 in chips) Seat 7: Seat7 ($131 in chips) Seat 8: Seat8 ($74.50 in chips) Seat 9: Villain ($109.60 in chips) Seat 10: Seat10 ($288.80 in chips) Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ANTES/BLINDS Seat2 posts blind ($0.50), Seat3 posts blind ($1). PRE-FLOP Seat4 folds, Hero calls $1, Seat6 folds, Seat7 folds, Seat8 calls $1, Villain bets $3, Seat10 calls $3, Seat1 folds, Seat2 folds, Seat3 calls $2, Hero calls $2, Seat8 folds. FLOP ($13.50) [board cards 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ] Seat3 checks, Hero checks, Villain bets $10, Seat10 calls $10, Seat3 folds, Hero calls $10. TURN ($43.50) [board cards 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ] Hero checks, Villain bets $25, Seat10 folds, Hero bets $80, Villain bets $71.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $16.60. |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
you shouldn't limp utg w/ 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
on the flop lead. on the turn why are you getting most of your chips in with a draw? he's not folding any of his hands to your raise? |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
I am happy you posted this because I've wanted to ask the following question:
Is a raise to $35 or $40 on the flop a good idea? |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.
instead of check/calling the flop, i would lead into the raiser with 9 |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
Ok, so I lead the flop - how do I handle these scenarios?
1. Villain raises - big re-raise/push? 2. Villain calls, turn is a brick (say, 2s) 3. Villain calls, turn gives me the FD (like in the real hand) |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep. [/ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure the exact opposite is true. |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
As played, just call the turn. You're getting immediate odds to draw to your 7 thousand outs, even if you don't get anymore in on the river when you hit.
The time to get aggressive with big draws is the flop when you still have 2 cards to come. |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
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[ QUOTE ] i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep. [/ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure the exact opposite is true. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly, saying its ok as long as you are not really deep is a big misunderstanding of the game. |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you and your opponent ARE relatively deep. [/ QUOTE ] FYP |
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Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively
Hi all,
I suggest to push on the flop. I want to maximize fold equity against weak hands and apply pressure on better hands. Villian might fold draws, small overpairs (fearing you limped with a big overpair), TPTK etc. As these villians/seat 10s most likley holdings giving them a card to improve makes no sense to me. Villians/Seat 10s most likely calling hands are two pair, set or a straight. If you push into a set well you still got 8 outs. Pot equity should be around 35% to 40%. A straight, oh well.... I do not like the turn reraise. If villian is bluffing a smaller reraise will do. If villian holds something (I think he does) that beats you most likley UTG limping hands which are worth a call on the flop (You say that you play ABC poker so the range is quite small) a 9 is scary to villian but not the end of the world and he might be able put you on the diamond flush/straight draw semi bluff with a set as worst case. So if you want to play for your stack it might be better to semi bluff reraise a smaller amount and than bluff on the river if none of your outs hits to represent the set/straight/big pair whatever. A call might be okay but many of your outs kill the action so I would not expect a big payoff. To me pushing with a wider range of hands is a meta game thing and affects all other playing decisions because it changes your table image. So I think it is important to see the big picture and also check if your "normal" play is suited to take maximum advantage of the "new" table image. Have a nice day Chris |
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