Please don't pair the river

imported_leader · #1 12-27-2005, 02:30 AM

PF call is not a mistake, IMO. It's five way and the pot is huge already. I would cr the flop. You really want to trap the field here. On the river, I can't see myself not putting in 4 bets when given the chance. You could make the case that if MP wakes up you should go for the overcall, but I probably wouldn't. If you were thinking CR, I wouldn’t. He’s aggressive so he’ll raise a decent bit here.

Saborion · #2 12-27-2005, 02:39 AM

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PF call is not a mistake, IMO. It's five way and the pot is huge already.

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Really? I may have found a leak!

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I would cr the flop. You really want to trap the field here.

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Well, the thing is, I was fairly certain that the BB would raise, and I also knew that MP was very, very likely to cold-call with whatever he was holding, so I was going for a bet/3-bet line instead of running the risk of the BB shutting down due to it being multiway. And if the BB caps he will bet the turn for sure, so that will let me find out if I can get a check-raise in on the turn as well. Sure, if I check-raise the flop, he 3-bets, I cap and lead turn, I may be able to get a 3-bet in on the turn. Hmm...

imported_leader · #3 12-27-2005, 02:52 AM

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Well, the thing is, I was fairly certain that the BB would raise, and I also knew that MP was very, very likely to cold-call with whatever he was holding, so I was going for a bet/3-bet line instead of running the risk of the BB shutting down due to it being multiway. And if the BB caps he will bet the turn for sure, so that will let me find out if I can get a check-raise in on the turn as well. Sure, if I check-raise the flop, he 3-bets, I cap and lead turn, I may be able to get a 3-bet in on the turn. Hmm...

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After looking at the action again I don't think it makes a ton of difference. BT is almost out of money so it will likely find its way into this huge pot, and as you said MP is loose. I think the key is the likelihood of losing MP to a raise. As it appears to be very little, bet/3-bet is at least neutral EV vs. CR.