was this a bad play?

[Kumubou]

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Flop call is horrible.

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I missed the memo where calling a 7:1 shot drawing to six effective outs (needting 6.7:1) is a horrible play.

You figure his 2s are almost certainly winners, and his Qs are likely to give him the best hand (even though one would bring a three-flush). He has a perfect-perfect gutshot to the nuts (which could put a three or even four-flush, and/or lead to a chop -- so it isn't worth much) and a backdoor flush draw that's almost certainly good. I think calling that six outs total (even with the dirtiness of some the draws) is a reasonable estimate.

It's a thin flop call (especially given the fact that he is not closing the action), but calling it 'horrible' is just overkill.

-K

[jba]

six outs is too generous IMO

people having 5-9 out redraws against almost all outs exect the 2s are very reasonable, flushes when you hit your straight, etc.