PPJP @ 450k!

[MicroBob]

good luck.

those tables usually don't work very well.

1. among 2+2'ers it becomes difficult to establish a set of 'rules'. Some people don't even know what the qualifying standards are anyway.

2. Always checking it down actually DOES have the chance of being caught by Party and they can decide that it's implicit collusion and not pay you (on the weird chance that you were to win).

3. It's hard to get 2+2'ers in all 10 seats.

4. We did one of those tables last year...it was mostly +EV for the sillyness and entertainment standpoint. -EV for time-spent at the tables though...and it's not even close.
Don't expect this to actually increase your chances enough of hitting the jackpot to make it worthwhile (especially considering the chance that party might screw you over on it anyway)


Not trying to ruin your fun on this. If you want to do it then go for it....just giving some reality here.

[pokergrader]

I just wanted the silliness

[MicroBob]

silly you can definitely have.

Yeah, the rules say no collusion, but I have no idea how that's enforced given that the $$ is deposited to your account instantaneously upon winning.

That said, I find it hard to think of a situation where collusion would really be of any benefit to anyone. With the jackpot so big, it's ordinarily [ok, maybe not ALWAYS, but pretty close] in each player's interest to call down with almost any hand that has any chance to qualify for the jackpot.

[emonrad87]

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With the jackpot so big, it's ordinarily [ok, maybe not ALWAYS, but pretty close] in each player's interest to call down with almost any hand that has any chance to qualify for the jackpot.

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Hardly.

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Hardly.

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Useless post.

I'll elaborate anyway: At $400,000, if you "win" the jackpot you get $160k. If you "lose" you get $80k. 15/30 is the highest limit available, right? So if you have to call 4 bets cold -- $120 -- drawing to one out (inside str8 flush draw), then -- if the board includes a pair 88 or above -- you clearly have odds to call. I'll bet it's even close if the flop is capped and you need runner-runner, even taking into account the (un)likelihood that any of the others has quad-8s or better or will get there.

That's just one example.

And stop making posts like "hardly". It's insulting and annoying, particularly when you're wrong. It's clear how you got to 2000 posts -- none of which, to my recollection, were in HUSH, medium stakes, or high stakes.

[MicroBob]

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I'll elaborate anyway: At $400,000, if you "win" the jackpot you get $160k. If you "lose" you get $80k. 15/30 is the highest limit available, right? So if you have to call 4 bets cold -- $120 -- drawing to one out (inside str8 flush draw), then -- if the board includes a pair 88 or above -- you clearly have odds to call. I'll bet it's even close if the flop is capped and you need runner-runner, even taking into account the (un)likelihood that any of the others has quad-8s or better or will get there.

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you are wrong. And I want to play at your tables.

Seriously...you are losing a LOT of EV if you are actually doing this.

You could barely have enough increased odds to make an extreme borderline fold change to a borderline-call....that's about it.

But to say that you should be trying to runner-runner straight-flushes and quads all the time (as you seemed to indicate might be correct) is REALLY off.

Also - there are some players who play any suited-connectors down to 32s from EP or for a raise against 1 player...whatever.
These are very good friends to have for any player who actually would prefer to win money.


In other news...I had JJ on a board of QQJJx yesterday and was getting REALLY freaking excited.
No dice...but I did win a nice sized-pot though.

[jman220]

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Hardly.

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Useless post.

I'll elaborate anyway: At $400,000, if you "win" the jackpot you get $160k. If you "lose" you get $80k. 15/30 is the highest limit available, right? So if you have to call 4 bets cold -- $120 -- drawing to one out (inside str8 flush draw), then -- if the board includes a pair 88 or above -- you clearly have odds to call. I'll bet it's even close if the flop is capped and you need runner-runner, even taking into account the (un)likelihood that any of the others has quad-8s or better or will get there.

That's just one example.

And stop making posts like "hardly". It's insulting and annoying, particularly when you're wrong. It's clear how you got to 2000 posts -- none of which, to my recollection, were in HUSH, medium stakes, or high stakes.

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You do not have correct odds to chase a 1 or 2 outer for $120 to a 400k jackpot if the qualifying hand your opponent needs to have also is quad 8's or better. Its not even close. Its not even close to close. Do you see why?

[Sciolist]

If the bad beat jackpot were $4m instead of $400k, and you were playing 2/4, you'd probably be right. As it is though, you're not. The odds are off by a mile.

[bwana devil]

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it's ordinarily [ok, maybe not ALWAYS, but pretty close] in each player's interest to call down with almost any hand that has any chance to qualify for the jackpot.


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this is very wrong. and it's ideas like this that make playing the BBJ tables profitable for decent players.

bwana