TT vs.a small army of coldcallers

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check/call the river . . .

you are probably going to lose (if he bets) but you are getting 13:1 on the river call so I'd take the risk


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On the turn you can save a bb by folding to a raise (assuming we don't know the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is coming) . . . however after we bet if he calls . . . check/call will still be a good play 13:1 on the T high flush river

I think I'd bet/fold the turn and check/fold the river. From your description, Villian knows better than to try to bluff.

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I think I'd bet/fold the turn and check/fold the river. From your description, Villian knows better than to try to bluff.

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All right, after reevaluating this hand, I can see why bet/fold on the turn is bad. A bet/call is definitely better.

Is the river a check/call or a bet/call, though?

I'll admit, I'm a little unsure about the line on this hand now.

[Azhrarn]

For those who like bet/folding the turn...

Is there any fear of a free shodown raise? Or a semibluff raise with (for instance) a nine and a club?

Like I said, the villain didn't seem particularly tricky, but I think these are things any good TAG will do at least once in a while.

[Jake (The Snake)]

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For those who like bet/folding the turn...

Is there any fear of a free shodown raise? Or a semibluff raise with (for instance) a nine and a club?

Like I said, the villain didn't seem particularly tricky, but I think these are things any good TAG will do at least once in a while.

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While I don't really agree that raising with those types of hands would be correct, I do see TAG's doing those kinds of plays all the time and I certainly think bet/call should be an option on the turn against some opponents.

I think the turn and river are both close decisions, and it's hard to fault folding the turn when it pairs the board and makes a 3 flush. Then again it's likely you did initiate his bet by checking.

The river is not a place to Clakmeister. Here you likely HAVE the best hand, but don't like to see a raise. Villian has been betting the whole way, and if he checks through the river chances are 1) you have him beat and 2) he was not calling a river bet anyhow. For that reason I like a check/call line on the river.

[ackid]

Preflop and flop are perfect.

Turn I would bet/ fold to raise.

River im check/calling if I get there.

[chesspain]

Does anyone else think that the Button's hand smells like a flopped set?

[Clarkmeister]

Bet/folding the turn is really bad IMO.

With his ordinary TAG numbers, I reason along these lines; with the preflop cold call it's quite obvious that he has either a PP (perhaps 99) or two big suited cards. His flop raise confirms this, at that point he most definitely has either a set or a club flush draw with like AJs-QJs (I don't see him cold call two bets preflop with a smaller suited connector). When he just calls the 3-bet it smells flush draw, but since it's HU he could still have a set, waiting to pop the turn.

The three of clubs really either gives him a boat or complete a flush, and again, as I don't see him cold call two bets with smaller clubs preflop, a fourth club on the river won't bail us out. And against a set we're drawing dead.

This is a really easy bet/fold, the question is what to do if he just calls. If he just calls, it could either mean he has a made flush and is afraid of us having a full house, or he is slowplaying. But even if we're certainly beat I still have a hard time folding for one additional bet, so I believe a check/call on the river is in order.

So, bet/fold the turn, and check/call the river.