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#1
12-19-2005, 08:12 PM
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Re: Flush draw
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The problem with checking the turn is that some good percentage of the time your opponent will bet. That leaves you in the position of trying to guess whether he has the flush or decided to bet a worse hand because you checked. [/ QUOTE ] this is good though. we want him to bet a worse heart or a pair here. if we bet he is usually going to fold a pair. if we check he will bet a pair as often as a heart. I like c/c on the turn and if he checks behind I lead the river and try to get a call thinking we're stealing the pot. 
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#2
12-19-2005, 09:00 PM
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Re: Flush draw
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[ QUOTE ] The problem with checking the turn is that some good percentage of the time your opponent will bet. That leaves you in the position of trying to guess whether he has the flush or decided to bet a worse hand because you checked. [/ QUOTE ] this is good though. we want him to bet a worse heart or a pair here. if we bet he is usually going to fold a pair. if we check he will bet a pair as often as a heart. I like c/c on the turn and if he checks behind I lead the river and try to get a call thinking we're stealing the pot. [/ QUOTE ] Doing it your way means you have to call the turn and river even when you are behind a better flush. If you bet and get raised, you can usually release the hand after 1 bet. There is also at least some chance he will call with a weaker hand if you bet. It's not clear, but I think it's easier to play with a bet because you will know where you are.
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#3
12-19-2005, 09:13 PM
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Re: Flush draw
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There is also at least some chance he will call with a weaker hand if you bet. [/ QUOTE ] i think it is much easier for them to bet a worse hand after we check than it is for them to call a worse hand when we bet.
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#4
12-19-2005, 09:25 PM
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Re: Flush draw
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Doing it your way means you have to call the turn and river even when you are behind a better flush. If you bet and get raised, you can usually release the hand after 1 bet. [/ QUOTE ] You are absolutely right. The mistake in your statement is in the fact, that you think he will have the best hand in this case the vast majority of time. Which is not true. You are afraid to loose. Although bet - is agressive play, in this case bet and fold to raise with the aim of not just being beaten by better flush - is weak-tight thinking.
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#5
12-19-2005, 09:03 PM
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Re: Flush draw
I bet/fold the turn.
If villian is willing to bluff raise for a 3BB pot, I'm more than willing to encourage the behaviour.
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#6
12-19-2005, 09:19 PM
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Re: Flush draw
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I bet/fold the turn. If villian is willing to bluff raise for a 3BB pot, I'm more than willing to encourage the behaviour. [/ QUOTE ] Most of the time villain wont have Ah,Kh,Qh or Jh in this case, that means your bet AT LEAST is worthless.
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#7
12-19-2005, 09:24 PM
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Re: Flush draw
sorry friends, but players will call here with much less than A-J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. you do have a point, but you're going too far with it. this bet is far from worthless against a normal player at these limits.
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#8
12-19-2005, 09:33 PM
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Re: Flush draw
It is doubtfull that an average player even on 0.5/1 will call with 3h or 5h BOTH turn and river, he will rather fold to your turn bet. By checking turn and betting river we are at least shure he will call once.
Furthemore DO NOT FORGET, that about half the time the opponent will not have flushes in this case AT ALL! What is then?
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#9
12-19-2005, 09:54 PM
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Re: Flush draw
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It is doubtfull that an average player even on 0.5/1 will call with 3h or 5h BOTH turn and river [/ QUOTE ] no, it isn't. they will call you down with much worse hands than other flushes. you will definitely get a call here and a river fold from a 5x hand without a heart, and that's only if they don't improve on the river. you give these people too much credit.
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