Commerce floor ruling

[SpaceAce]

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By rule if at least 3 players can confirm what the player said he had he wins the pot.


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That's good to know. I'll never lose another hand I play, I'll just make sure to be there with friends. This rule sucks.

SpaceAce

[bernie]

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By rule if at least 3 players can confirm what the player said he had he wins the pot.


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That's good to know. I'll never lose another hand I play, I'll just make sure to be there with friends. This rule sucks.

SpaceAce

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You have to table your hand first. Good luck trying to exploit it. Not to mention, try it a couple times and see how much weight your word will carry with anyone on the table or in the room.

It's a great rule because it helps the table self police itself. If it is really disputeable, call the floor and look at the camera. In the OPs instance, I doubt the camera was needed. The only thing you have to look out for are angleshooters and buds that may have other interests other than integrity of the game. Which tend to stick out quite a bit on tables. The greater majority of players will be honest when they are fighting for someone to be awarded the pot.

The assumption that everyone is shooting every angle and trying for every edge on your table is just flat out wrong.

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[Randy_Refeld]

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By rule if at least 3 players can confirm what the player said he had he wins the pot.


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That's good to know. I'll never lose another hand I play, I'll just make sure to be there with friends. This rule sucks.

SpaceAce

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You have to table your hand first. Good luck trying to exploit it. Not to mention, try it a couple times and see how much weight your word will carry with anyone on the table or in the room.

It's a great rule because it helps the table self police itself. If it is really disputeable, call the floor and look at the camera. In the OPs instance, I doubt the camera was needed. The only thing you have to look out for are angleshooters and buds that may have other interests other than integrity of the game. Which tend to stick out quite a bit on tables. The greater majority of players will be honest when they are fighting for someone to be awarded the pot.

The assumption that everyone is shooting every angle and trying for every edge on your table is just flat out wrong.

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great post

[phish]

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By rule if at least 3 players can confirm what the player said he had he wins the pot.


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That's good to know. I'll never lose another hand I play, I'll just make sure to be there with friends. This rule sucks.

SpaceAce

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You have to table your hand first. Good luck trying to exploit it. Not to mention, try it a couple times and see how much weight your word will carry with anyone on the table or in the room.

It's a great rule because it helps the table self police itself. If it is really disputeable, call the floor and look at the camera. In the OPs instance, I doubt the camera was needed. The only thing you have to look out for are angleshooters and buds that may have other interests other than integrity of the game. Which tend to stick out quite a bit on tables. The greater majority of players will be honest when they are fighting for someone to be awarded the pot.

The assumption that everyone is shooting every angle and trying for every edge on your table is just flat out wrong.

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I agree that it generally works well enough in practice. But I think that rules should be set up such that there are no loop holes to be exploited.

Imagine a scenario where you're playing a big no limit game and you lose a pot because 3 players you don't know say they saw something. Now these guys could all be friends and are just waiting for the one chance to steal that 20K pot they otherwise wouldn't have got. Once is enough is this case. And even if they were honest, the person whose pot was taken away will still have doubts and it will haunt and bug him for a long time.

I think the loser being able to see the winner's hand is such a fundamental principle in poker (and rightly so) that these rules of '3 people' or whatever deciding who has the winner is just plain bad and dangerous.

[bernie]

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Imagine a scenario where you're playing a big no limit game and you lose a pot because 3 players you don't know say they saw something. Now these guys could all be friends and are just waiting for the one chance to steal that 20K pot they otherwise wouldn't have got. Once is enough is this case. And even if they were honest, the person whose pot was taken away will still have doubts and it will haunt and bug him for a long time.

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Obviously in this scenario where you don't know anyone or see any signs that they are str8 up players, or contrary, on top of the fact that it's $20k you'd call the floor and go into it a little more extensively. If any doubt, you have every right to call the floor and ask for the cameras to verify it. In fact, I'd recommend that and any player playing that high of a limit would/should fully understand it.

Btw...When you play live for awhile, it's not hard to peg angleshooters and buds who are acting in each others interest.

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[andyfox]

Good points. The players, as well as the dealer, should be responsible for "policing" the game. I've seen several players point out the winning hand when the dealer had made a mistake. A dealer, especially one who is not a hold 'em player, might have trouble reading the winning hand. I see nothing wrong with players pointing out which tabled hand had won the pot.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Good points. The players, as well as the dealer, should be responsible for "policing" the game. I've seen several players point out the winning hand when the dealer had made a mistake. A dealer, especially one who is not a hold 'em player, might have trouble reading the winning hand. I see nothing wrong with players pointing out which tabled hand had won the pot.

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NL game Saturday at Hollywood Park. On the river the board is T-9-8-6-8 rainbow. Seat five had been leading all the way and paid off a medium-size river raise from seat eight, obviously in frustration. Seat eight shows J9. Seat five momentarily tables QQ face up and quickly tosses it toward the muck in disgust. The dealer intercepts the queens and calmly announces "two pair, queens and eights". I'm watching seat five, it was clear from the expression on his face he thought he lost to trip eights or worse. He pulls in the pot and obsequiously slides the dealer several blue chips.

Many dealers do a great job.

~ Rick