|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Re: GIGABET.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK. Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up. Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line." [/ QUOTE ] Just curious, when she called your 200k bet on the turn, did you get the impression at all that you were beat? Why did you move all in on the river, since you know you could only be called by a better hand? [/ QUOTE ] he probably thought AJ would pay him off. [/ QUOTE ] You really see JJ Liu, a solid player, calling on the turn, and then calling all her chips on the river with Ace high? From the way the hand played out, it seemed like Gigabet was trying to represent at least AK if not KK, but Liu obviously wasn't scared of the flop. If she was trying to make a play withi AJ, I don't see her simply calling on the turn. The only way I see Gigabet making this play is if he felt he had a very LAG table image, and that JJ saw this as well. Perhaps he thought that if he moved all in on the river, it would suggest he had to have a big hand, and would make any smaller PP fold. But after seeing JJ bet on the flop, and then call on the turn, I don't see how he could imagine her folding when the 2 came on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Obviously, Gigabet saw one high card on the board and figured this is a good board to bluff at. If she didn't have AK, KK, AA, or QQ, she might not have been able to call. The problem is that when a solid player reraises preflop, she is likely to have one of those hands. Gigabet is a LAG and could have anything, but it seems unlikely he would flat call are reraise with a king. If he had QQ-AA or AK he probably would have made a 3rd raise preflop. This is a classic case of trapping a LAG. I don't want to be accused of stereotyping, but women and particularly oriental women tend to be good at appearing passive and luring someone in to a trap. Of course this kind of aggressive play looks bad when it doesn't work, but it often works. |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Re: GIGABET.
[ QUOTE ]
Obviously, Gigabet saw one high card on the board and figured this is a good board to bluff at. If she didn't have AK, KK, AA, or QQ, she might not have been able to call. The problem is that when a solid player reraises preflop, she is likely to have one of those hands. [/ QUOTE ] Gigabet thought she would lay down anything except KK and 66, due to her previous laydown of KK vs. a T66 board. AK, AA, QQ...all folds. |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Re: GIGABET.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Obviously, Gigabet saw one high card on the board and figured this is a good board to bluff at. If she didn't have AK, KK, AA, or QQ, she might not have been able to call. The problem is that when a solid player reraises preflop, she is likely to have one of those hands. [/ QUOTE ] Gigabet thought she would lay down anything except KK and 66, due to her previous laydown of KK vs. a T66 board. AK, AA, QQ...all folds. [/ QUOTE ] I suppose she has such a big stack so late in this tough a tournament because other people weretrying tobluff heroff the nuts. |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Re: GIGABET.
I agree that that would have been an awfully strange line for J.J. to have aces there, if she had the intention of folding on the river to a big bet if a blank hit. Seems like she'd have folded or raised the turn unless it was her intent to call down. I can certainly see how Giga's line folds KQ, KJ, and QQ though. Not sure about AK.
|
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Re: GIGABET.
[ QUOTE ]
I agree that that would have been an awfully strange line for J.J. to have aces there, if she had the intention of folding on the river to a big bet if a blank hit. Seems like she'd have folded or raised the turn unless it was her intent to call down. I can certainly see how Giga's line folds KQ, KJ, and QQ though. Not sure about AK. [/ QUOTE ] I think the villain also has to have 6x in the back of her mind. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Re: GIGABET.
[ QUOTE ]
I think the villain also has to have 6x in the back of her mind. [/ QUOTE ] No doubt, but wouldn't it still make sense that the turn would be decision time? She has to know that Giga is sophisticated enough to run a two-street bluff there. Seems to me that if she called the turn, then folded the river with AA, her thought process would've been along the lines of "Eh, I'll call here because my hand is pretty. There's no way he'll bet into me twice without the goods." While possible I guess, that seems to be a pretty rudimentary way to play the hand, and unlikely at this stage of the tournament. Having said that, I think it was a well-run bluff, and Giga simply got unlucky that J.J. had the hand that she did. All I was saying is that I might add AA and 6X (which is very unlikely given the preflop action), into the range of hands that he's getting caught with. Who am I to question Giga's read though - he certainly has a better grasp on that situation (and tournament play in general) than I likely ever will. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Re: GIGABET.
nevermind
|
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Re: GIGABET.
[ QUOTE ]
I agree that that would have been an awfully strange line for J.J. to have aces there, if she had the intention of folding on the river to a big bet if a blank hit. Seems like she'd have folded or raised the turn unless it was her intent to call down. I can certainly see how Giga's line folds KQ, KJ, and QQ though. Not sure about AK. [/ QUOTE ] Seems unlikely she would reraise with KQ or KJ. Plus it is unlikely that Gigabet would flat call with AK, KK or AA. So it would seem hard to fold a K on this board. The aggression might get her to fold TT-QQ. However, despite the fact that Gigabet says he hasn't been caught bluffing, I am sure she is aware of his reputation. |
|
|