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Old 12-14-2005, 06:58 PM
Roman Roman is offline
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Default Re: What\'s your move here and why?

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Got a read on him? Without one, I min-raise. Without anything on that flop for him to draw to, it'll scare the [censored] out of him if he doesn't have a king.

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I doubt he has a K. Registrar raised pre-flop, he called, making Registrar the agressor. Further, the pre-flop raise was "normal" sized. If he held KK, he would have definitely re-raised pre-flop... we can all agree on that. If he had Kx, would he open betting on the flop, or would be check and let Registrar continue his attack? His raise looks more like a probe... Raise him half his stack... OR... if not sure (like you have some read that he could be one sneaky bugger)... Double his raise.

When are you going to tell us what actually happened?

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Old 12-14-2005, 04:54 PM
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Raise
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your move here and why?

I raise - my guess is villain is on a small/mid-pp and thinks you whiffed the flop. They probably c/r the flop or turn if they had a king-- I bring it up to 250-300.
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your move here and why?

Call.

If the turn is a blank, either fold to a bet (read dependent and pretty weak), or raise a bet to get information - if he goes back OTT, then you know he has a K, if he folds, then you take the pot.

If he calls - shut off completely IMO
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:00 PM
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not a fan of the call either, we want him to commit more chips if we are way ahead, build up the pot, plus don't give a free card.. if he's playing a K, our raise should clarify things or at least make us play more cautious.
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: What\'s your move here and why?

I understand, but I still don't agree with your flop raise.

This stinks of 'I dont have a king, do you?'

Raising on the turn, is much more powerful, as this is when you would realistically raise if you 'did' have the king, thus providing more meat to your bluff.

I agree, you could donate more chips here, but this is a risk I prefer taking.
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:13 PM
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I'm generally not putting him on a K, but i'd rather not give a free card, which is the main reason for the flop raise.. plus if he does have a mid pair that he won't let go of, build the pot right now, why keep it small when you know you're most likely way ahead? If I know my opponent will commit more chips to an inferior hand, I'm going to bet aggressively on every street.. if he won't, I'm still happy with winning the pot.
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:17 PM
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ima go against the grain here and say call. This bet is usually a weak hand such as AJ or 77 with 2-3 outs against you, so im not overly worried about giving a free card. I really want to keep this pot small here on the flop, I have position for the rest of the hand and can extract a lot of value out of mid pairs and big aces if played properly. Things change when I play a good aggressive player I know is capable of firing 3 bets here without a king or better, but I doubt the villian here is capable of that.
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:35 PM
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----- FLOP ----- [4s Ks Kd]
Acerclubs: bets 90
Registrar: ?


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IMHO, this is a typical hand where you are way ahead or way behind. He could have the King, but that is a monster and he would have to put you on a big hand to bet that way. You open raised from LP with no one else in the pot. You could have anything from a monster to rags.

The opponent has what?
- a hand that is good enough to call but not reraise
- a hand that is good enough to play out of position
- a hand that is worth playing head-up
- a hand that is worth open betting with a big pair on the flop


Without knowing the player, in my limited experience, this is a common bet with some sort of pair. So what kind of hands could he be holding?

You might well be facing something like 9's, T's or J's.

If so, then you don't want to reraise and push him off the hand. You want him to continue to make bad semi-bluffs or bad calls.

I'm looking at cold-caling the flop here, seeing what the turn brings, and seeing if the opponent is willing to bet out again.
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Old 12-14-2005, 07:44 PM
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Ok, Registrar, so how did it actually turn out?

It seems there is quite a firm line here between the calls and raises, with more calls than raises. In fact, us raisers are apparently retarded.

What did he have, and how did it finish off?
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