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12-14-2005, 10:29 AM
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Re: 88
I'm also tempted to fold this pf. I'm not sure how often 3-betting is going to get us HU, and when it doesn't we are going to have some tough decisions on later streets. Even if we do get HU here, playing this hand OOP is tricky on just about any board. I would be inclined to call if there were another limper or if the BB was loose, and would 3-bet without any limpers... but I think here I just fold. It's an interesting spot though... as I'm definately 3-betting TT and I'm not sure what I'm doing with 99 here.
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#2
12-14-2005, 10:39 AM
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Re: 88
My gut is telling me to fold pre-flop, but if I am going to play this I just call and see what he flop brings.
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#3
12-14-2005, 11:01 AM
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Re: 88
i don't think you get this HU nearly as often as you think
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#4
12-14-2005, 11:10 AM
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Re: 88
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i don't think you get this HU nearly as often as you think [/ QUOTE ] You're probably correct... and hence the hand continues... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 8. 3 folds, MP2 (Villian #1) calls, CO (Villian #2) raises, 1 fold, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets...</font> <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 <font color="#A500AF">(Villian #1)</font> calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO <font color="#A500AF">(Villian #2)</font> caps</font>, Hero calls, MP2 <font color="#A500AF">(Villian #1)</font> calls. Flop: (13 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, Villian #1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Villian #2 bets</font>, Hero?
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#5
12-14-2005, 11:29 AM
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Re: 88
16 ways to have AK
4 ways to have AQs (maybe he'd do this with AQo, but we'll just use this as an appropriate discount) 6 ways to have AA 6 for KK 6 for QQ 3 for JJ 6 ways to have TT So we're behind a bit more often than we're ahead. We might be able to push him off TT, OTOH, if we are ahead, he will catch up to us 3x as often as will catch up to him (6 outs vs. 2). And we still have the other player to worry about, slight though it may be. Doing a Pstove calc, I give us about 25% equity vs. the two players, but it goes up to 37% if we knock out MP2. This pot might be big enough to justify a check-raise on the flop, hoping to push out MP and to, well, "find out where we are", as much as I hate that term/concept. If we get 3-bet, I think we peel/fold. The problem there is an aggro player will 3-bet AK sometimes and lead the turn only to check the river behind, so I'd rather not put in extra bets there only to fold. So, I guess I'm peeling the flop, MP2 be damned. But I really think this is tough.
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#6
12-14-2005, 11:53 AM
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Re: 88
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This pot might be big enough to justify a check-raise on the flop, hoping to push out MP and to, well, "find out where we are" [/ QUOTE ] I hate this here as we were basically told with some certainlty "where we are" when our 3-bet was capped pre-flop.
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#7
12-14-2005, 11:57 AM
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Re: 88
Yeah I definetly back-peddled on that. But it's a big pot and I think we do have enough equity to continue. Or at least we would if it were HU. Having a third player really sucks.
Assume for a moment that MP2 folds for one bet on the flop every time. We're looking at 18:5 to call down. Maybe 16:3 if we decide he'll not bet the river with AK/AQs UI. If his range is AA-TT, AKo, AQs, we have about 37% equity or so. We fold if a Q, K, or A falls. Sometimes he checks behind the turn with TT. I think that would be a clear calldown, at least until the river or the board got scary. But that third player really complicates things.
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#8
12-14-2005, 12:18 PM
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Re: 88
as opposed to planning to invest 1.5sb just to see where we are... why not see where we are on the turn? i noted earlier how your situation could improve dramatically... what if another face/ace card falls on the turn? what if villain #1 wakes up?
in other words... you're likely behind but it's close, and the turn can change things dramatically, either by what falls or what the action is... why put in so much money now, when we're unsure?
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