30/60 Stud hi hand

[vintage_sara]

Got enough chips on the table Carlos? I think you need about 1K more to be intimidating. Tee hee.

Here are the assumptions I am making based on your calls and raises:

3rd - you do not believe your opponent has aces or a pair above your 10s.

4th & 5th - you are trying to buy a free card on 5th street or get it heads up. Since you call 5th you have already made the decision to take it to the river as you do not have a strong draw secondary draw on 5th street and need a runner runner straight or fullhouse to have a strong five card hand.

6th street - You call. You now decide your opponent may have three aces since he bets into your board that is straight looking and also has a paired door card.

7th street - You are full so you decide to raise when he bets into you. But he three bets you and you decide to cap it...just cause...lol (can't think of good reason why unless you think he is less than 10s full--8s full?)

Okay analysis:


First, not real fond of your third street play. I assume you call here because you have the ace kicker. That doesn't mean he doesn't have aces or a pair over your 10s and it also means you are playing 6 card stud vs 7 card stud, essentially. One thing I wouldn't put him on is a flush draw.

But, if you are playing third because you don't think he has he aces or a pair bigger than yours, I recommend a reraise to try get it heads up on third or to find out where you are sooner so you can make a decision to fold on 5th.

Since you decided to only call the raise on 3rd street, I recommend making the move you did on 4th on 5th instead. I assume you made this move to get the hand heads up or to buy a free card. I don't think you did it to find out where you were at because you called 5th (didn't fold) without a strong redraw to a five card hand (i.e. you needed a runner runner straight or full house). I believe you have already made the decsion to stay in the hand to river unless a disaster happens. The four street raise with the suited connector is not real strong with all the diamonds out so the "raise value" is not as good as it might be in other situations.

If you make the move on 5th street instead, the player has to question where you are at and you have a better chance of knocking out at least one player behind you when he has to call two bets cold. I would have done this even if you didn't catch the nice looking 9. IMO that card was bonus for a 5th street raise.

On 6th - what the hell do you do? If your read is that player one doesn't have aces then you should raise to charge the most to the drawing hands. You really don't put the 5th seat on a flush with all the diamond out, at least I don't. And Seat 8 could be pushing for a flush and/or now be open-ended? Gotta love 6th street folders in a pot like this.

If you decide that player 1 may in fact have three aces cause he bets into your straight looking paired door card board on 6th, then capping the river is insane when he three bets you. At least save one bet..unless you think he has 8s full.

Fun hand.

Repectfully,

Sara

[mscags]

Very nice analysis Sara

[Chris Daddy Cool]

capping the river makes me want to puke.

[blumpkin22]

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capping the river makes me want to puke.

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Indeed.

Hey Chris, you should read/post more in the stud forum.

[benwood]

One time in a movie,I think it was Cape fear,I saw a guy raise his fist up in the air from underwater as he sank to the bottom of a river.This image flashed into my mind when I saw your last raise.(No disrespect intended.I'll bet you won the hand.)

[CarlosChadha]

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One time in a movie,I think it was Cape fear,I saw a guy raise his fist up in the air from underwater as he sank to the bottom of a river.This image flashed into my mind when I saw your last raise.(No disrespect intended.I'll bet you won the hand.)

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Great analogy...it made me laugh.

[CarlosChadha]

Thanks for the great analyses, especially by sara and frappe. I had an idea that I screwed this hand up somewhere right after I played it (which is why I posted it) but I didn't think it was to bad at the time. The more I look at the hand and read your ideas the less I like my play throughout. I just started writing a paper that is due in five hours so my analysis and results will have to wait until later.

[CarlosChadha]

On third st. I thought there was a good chance that I had the best hand (the 3 seat would open raise with pretty much any pair, or 3 boardwalk cards), but I choose not to reraise because of seat 5's call, meaning I wasn't getting it heads up, which weakens my dead hand in a 3 or 4 way pot. I think folding is probably the worst option since I have good position for the rest of the hand and since my hand is best a lot. Reraising would be ok, but ties me to the hand on later sts. by making the pot big, which I don't like doing with a dead hand multiway.

I agree with everyone that my 4th st. play should have just been to call. What I was thinking is that I had a scary board and I was trying to take control of the hand and knock out the 4th player. Unfortunately I didn't consider the fact that the diamonds were so dead and therefore my hand wasn't very scary. I guess I also made the mental mistake of committing myself to the hand at this point, basically deciding that the 3 seat didn't have As, and might have had just a lower pair in the hole.

I 5th I think I should have folded. My 9 and A are both dead, and I only have runner-runner str8 draws. The 3 seat seems really strong after the 3 bet on 4th and then betting into 3 other players when he has a rag board. At minimum he has a pair bigger than Ts, probably As, and maybe As up or trip 8s (and an outside chance of 8s and 2s). I also failed to think about what the other two players had. I'd guess str8 & flush draws, with maybe a baby pair. Basically I am in 3rd or 4th place in this hand. I was playing the hand as if I was heads up with the 3 seat instead of considering the big change in a multiway pot.

On 6th, my 5th st. call comes to bite me in the ass. I really want to raise to charge the draws the max if I am ahead, but I think there is a good chance that I will get 3 bet if I am behind and my full house cards are kind of dead. You know you have made a mistake earlier in the hand if you hit your best possible card and can't even raise.

On the river the the cap was basically an impulse bet (like raising my fist while drowning). I was thought, oh well i *hope* he has 8s full, and he can't reraise...might as well throw in an extra bet. The result of the hand is that the 3 seat had As up on 4th, and beat me with a full house.



All in all I played the hand pretty poorly...luckily I realized that I was playing like crap a few hands later when I 3 bet a guy who I was sure was slow playing either rolled 7s or a big wired pair when I hit trip 6s, and quit the game in frustration at my stupidity:-(

Thanks for the feedback,
Carlos

[Bartholow]

Haven't read any replies, haven't played any stud lately really [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

3rd is ok though folding would be fine in a lot of situations. If you thought the bring in was likely to call you could consider reraising (I wouldn't do this much but would rather raise here than on 4th in general).

4th I think diamonds are too dead for your raise to look very scary, and I would think that seat 8 is pretty likely to either have a hand which he will fold for 1 bet, or a hand that will call two bets (knowing that the game plays tricky and aggressive, people don't tend to let things go too easily in these situations). I don't like the raise.

5th I'd be tempted to just fold IF you hadn't made the pot pretty big. As is I think it's a call.

6th I'd raise right away to charge seat 8 who is probably drawing to SOMETHING, possibly even drawing dead or mostly dead, but is more likely to call a raise here than on the river. If you get three bet here I think I just call.

7th I'd raise once but not cap. The raise is a little better than it otherwise looks because the pot is a little bigger than normal, meaning people will call with slightly weaker hands. Still looks to me like you'd get more of seat 8s nearly dead money if you had raised on 6th (or maybe knocked out someone with outs).