10/20 AK preflop

[poker1O1]

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My personal opinion is that this is standard.

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[DMBFan23]

I wouldnt lose sleep over this

[Dazarath]

I'd fold this and be sad about it.

Sorry to hijack, but what's the worst hand people would call in this situation? AKs? JJ? QQ?

[mikeyKay]

You dont own 25% of this pot pre flop? The only player you are worrying about is the 16/6 that 3-bet, I feel like the other 2 players could be all over the place. 2 out of the 3 opponents seem to be semi-bad to pretty bad players, I'm not looking for a reason to dump a solid starting hand. What am I missing here?

-mike

[Dazarath]

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You dont own 25% of this pot pre flop? The only player you are worrying about is the 16/6 that 3-bet, I feel like the other 2 players could be all over the place. 2 out of the 3 opponents seem to be semi-bad to pretty bad players, I'm not looking for a reason to dump a solid starting hand. What am I missing here?

-mike

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You're missing the PFRs. Just because they're loose, that doesn't mean their raising ranges are out of whack. If a 90/1 raises (assuming the it's the top 1% of hands), you'd have to fold a lot more hands than if a 16/15 raised, even though the 1st player is obviously more of a donk than the 2nd (based purely on preflop numbers).

None of these players have a PFR that is very high at all, and people's 3-betting ranges are less than their raising ranges. Capping ranges get even smaller. If you call 4 cold with AK, you're basically praying that 2 of them have QQ-TT and you spike an A or a K. Then you have to take into account the times where one has AA/KK and you flop a nice TPTK, but are still miles behind.

so you're worried about 1 player in a 3-way pot? guess what? anybody can find a hand and cap a flop with it.

so you've got one guy w/ legitimate stats.. and two others who dont.. you have to be nuts to call w/ AKos here.. MAYBE, just MAYBE i call w/ AKs here to see a flop.. but lets say you flop a K.. what do you do then? if you're calling flop bets to hope to hit a flush or two pair.. you're crazy.. and in this case.. two pair wouldnt be good enough.

[Evan]

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what pot odds?

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Just to be clear, that was a joke, as was Michael's post about AK being a drawing hand.


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cap w/ JJ and AQ os? you might want to fix your stats.

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These aren't my stats or anyone's stats, they're ranges I made up. I put in a very loose range and tightened it up as I went to show how that affected our hand strength. That's a lot more inofrmative than just using one set of inputs and saying it's right.

[Entity]

I don't think folding this is standard. I think folding this and then calling Jason a nit for folding it is standard.

Rob

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I think that this is standard given the villians.

1) It is likely that some of your outs are are in another players hand.
2) A significant percentage of the time you are dominated.
3) A significant percentage of the time you are playing for half the pot.
4) You have reverse implied odds.

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[B Dids]

I want to know more about the players than just mined hands.

If that's all I got, I suppose it's a fold, but it's sure not one I'm good enough to make.