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clarkmeistering the turn?
This hand comes out of my mutual sweating session with A_K. We met in the coach exchange thread! It was a lot of fun. A_K is a set flopping *machine*, and he didn't berate me after i limped QTo in MP3 after 3 limpers.
Villain is 50/3/0.45 over 100 hands. He is a donkey. He has donked the river twice against me, once with UI A6s after i raised preflop and lead the whole way. Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Button folds, SB folds. <font color="blue">No idea who might bet or where the bet would come from, so a check/raise is out. Leading is the next best thing, right? Or should i just check and observe the action and re-evaluate?</font> Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Hero folds. Villain had the "raise any" box checked (or has a super fast index finger). A standard Clarkmeister is to do this on the river, but i thought a lot of the advantages are available here on the turn: I have some fold equity, i don't get raised by a worse hand (though i contemplated calling because of his donkiness and the fishy autoraise situation), plus i might have the best hand. More importantly, i had no idea what i would do if i checked and he bet. Just give up? Also, how are you proceeding if he just calls and the river is a blank. Do i check and hope he checks behind or that i induce a bluff? Check/fold? Bet again (this pretty clearly sucks, as worse hands aren't calling but better hands aren't folding). |
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
Villain raises turn with four to the flush. And all you have is top pair, no kicker. The bet is fine, because I think a check by you almost guarantees a bet/bluff, which you can't really call. But I agree that the bet is done with the intention of folding to a raise.
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
Folding to the raise is perfectly fine. Do you seriously think a donkey will have the sophistication to use the autoraise button to bluff you? A better line might be to check-raise and fold to a 3-bet. Oh wait, you only use that strategy against rocks, not donkeys.
I have a habit of often check-raising top pairs out of the blinds on the flop in multiway pots, but I'd think people are less likely to bet at a highly coordinated board, so the lead is probably more appropriate. |
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
nh
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
i check/fold the flop, your hand is terrible.
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
For what its worth, I advocated check/folding the turn. There is an awfully good chance that villan has a heart in his hand, and given his donkish nature, I don't see him laying down even a little flush to our bet.
But I prefer to wait until the next hand a flop a set. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] |
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
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i check/fold the flop, your hand is terrible. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
It's a difficult hand to play, but I can't Pokerstove anything reasonable that shows he doesn't have the equity to bet this flop. Against villain headsup, he's a 3:2 favorite, but after the turn he's at best a 2:1 dog with a good chance he's drawing dead.
In MP2s shoes, how would you play A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] against hero (and the rest of the field)? |
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
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It's a difficult hand to play, but I can't Pokerstove anything reasonable that shows he doesn't have the equity to bet this flop. Against villain headsup, he's a 3:2 favorite, but after the turn he's at best a 2:1 dog with a good chance he's drawing dead. In MP2s shoes, how would you play A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] against hero (and the rest of the field)? [/ QUOTE ] If I was MP2, I would have folded A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to the flop bet. Anyway, I agree with the suggestion that OP should have check/folded the flop. 6 players saw that flop, and it was very likely that one or more of them had a decent flush draw. It was even possible that someone already had the made flush. By checking the flop, the OP would be in a better position if the flop got checked through. Then he would be able to wait and see if a blank fell on the turn. |
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Re: clarkmeistering the turn?
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[ QUOTE ] i check/fold the flop, your hand is terrible. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] |
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