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12-12-2005, 02:32 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
I think in Tournament Poker for advanced players by Sklansky, he says that a tournament pro could have up to a 5X (500% ROI) edge on the competition (maybe I'm not remembering correctly though). I think this is likely true in live play with generous blind structures. I've played in a few live tourneys and people either suck or have no idea how to adjust to tournaments as most of the better/tight players are way too tight.
In online tourneys I think that your edge is likely decrease due to the fact that overall the blinds escalate a little more quickly, and the play is more aggressive, and overall the play is a little better. But I would guess that a 2+2'er should still have at least a 1.5-2X edge over the competition (50-100% ROI). That's just kind of ballpark figure and could easily be more or less. But I have not played a ton of the bigger buyin events so your edge might not be quite as good there. I think the rest of your questions could easily be answered if you knew what kind of edge you have, but I think that you're never going to play enough tourneys to know what your edge truly is. 
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#2
12-12-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
What do you want with these questions? "Oh, to be considered a successful MTT player, the minimum ROI% is 10%." You need to (IMO) find out how much ROI you WANT to make, and go for it.
NOTHING in poker is absolute. I'm sure you know this. If you're trying to guage how good you are with other players' returns, you're going to either set your standards too high or too low. Find out what you want to achieve, and work until you do. Good luck.
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#3
12-12-2005, 02:42 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
God speaking, your ITM should be 15.423% and your ROI should be 154.365%. You should make the final table of a 3000-7000 field 4.259% of the time and you should win .854% of the time.
Thank me, God.
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#4
12-12-2005, 02:46 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
[ QUOTE ]
God speaking, your ITM should be 15.423% and your ROI should be 154.365%. You should make the final table of a 3000-7000 field 4.259% of the time and you should win .854% of the time. Thank me, God. [/ QUOTE ] give or take .0001% or so.
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#5
12-12-2005, 02:46 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] God speaking, your ITM should be 15.423% and your ROI should be 154.365%. You should make the final table of a 3000-7000 field 4.259% of the time and you should win .854% of the time. Thank me, God. [/ QUOTE ] give or take .0001% or so. [/ QUOTE ] repeating, of course.
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#6
12-12-2005, 02:47 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] God speaking, your ITM should be 15.423% and your ROI should be 154.365%. You should make the final table of a 3000-7000 field 4.259% of the time and you should win .854% of the time. Thank me, God. [/ QUOTE ] give or take .0001% or so. [/ QUOTE ] repeating, of course. [/ QUOTE ] God's margin of error: infinite and/or none at all. Oh my me.
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#7
12-12-2005, 03:11 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
So nobody knows and those who might won't, nor should they, share.
Brilliant. X
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#8
12-12-2005, 03:20 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
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So nobody knows and those who might won't, nor should they, share. Brilliant. X [/ QUOTE ] There are a bunch of problems with answering this question. First, MTTs vary greatly in size and structure. Second, MTTs have huge variance, so you need a ridiculously large sample size of MTTs to get reliable numbers. Third, combine problems one and two, and you see that you need a ridiculously large sample size of similarly structured and sized MTTs, which is really hard to come by. Really rough numbers (i.e., within maybe a factor of 4) are 100% ROI and 15% ITM. FT% and win% are totally bogus statistics because FTing a 9000 person MTT 1/10 times'd be amazing, while FTing a 50 person MTT 1/10 times'd be pretty pathetic.
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#9
12-12-2005, 03:34 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] So nobody knows and those who might won't, nor should they, share. Brilliant. X [/ QUOTE ] There are a bunch of problems with answering this question. First, MTTs vary greatly in size and structure. Second, MTTs have huge variance, so you need a ridiculously large sample size of MTTs to get reliable numbers. Third, combine problems one and two, and you see that you need a ridiculously large sample size of similarly structured and sized MTTs, which is really hard to come by. Really rough numbers (i.e., within maybe a factor of 4) are 100% ROI and 15% ITM. FT% and win% are totally bogus statistics because FTing a 9000 person MTT 1/10 times'd be amazing, while FTing a 50 person MTT 1/10 times'd be pretty pathetic. [/ QUOTE ] This reply makes the most sense out of it. Thanks for taking the time. I have similar ideas. What it boils down to, I guess, is that entering these things should have the same expectation as flushing $100 bills down the toilet. If you can afford to, great, you can, but if you can't you shouldn't. By the time you know it was a bad idea, it's going to be way too late anyway. X
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#10
12-12-2005, 03:35 PM
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Re: God As He Moves Across The Face Of Internet Touranments
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This reply makes the most sense out of it. Thanks for taking the time. I have similar ideas. What it boils down to, I guess, is that entering these things should have the same expectation as flushing $100 bills down the toilet. If you can afford to, great, you can, but if you can't you shouldn't. By the time you know it was a bad idea, it's going to be way too late anyway. X [/ QUOTE ] yes, good conclusion, there is no expectation to playing the 500k
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