There's a third time for everything

[fnord_too]

I've only ever folded KK once pre flop, and it was against a tight player who raised and three bet me. No way I fold here against someone who's range is not exactly AA or AA/KK/AK, especially if I have a read that someone will overcall with cheese.

Just to throw some numbers out, if his range is QQ+, AK you have 57%+ equity against him HU. With JQs in the mix your equity is a little over 45.5%, but since JQs is one of the worse (from your perspective) hands for third party to have given that he does not have AA/KK (by your read), you should have at least that equity against his range. This sure looks like a real high expectation high variance call to me.

I'm not going to *CALL* three thousand out of nowhere into a nothing pot without the nuts. I'm just not. Besides, I can still get good ROI on these chips later on if I just keep my head. Nobody is going anywhere.

Ugh! The only way I accept this is if losing this hand puts you out of this session, but if this is the case I would argue that you entered the game unprepared. Also, it is most certainly not a nothing pot, it has over $3200 in it.

If you have a solid read the guy has aces or even aces, kings or AK without a read that the third party will come along with crap, then fine. If there is some meta game reason for this, I think it needs to be pretty substantial to pass up this spot. From the info given, this is the only hand you have posted I recall where I think you fumbled.

[VeryTnA]

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you have 57%+ equity against him HU

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Ok here I go into Tommy's brain, (not really, probably no one can do that) how does this sound.

I'm in a full game with a couple idiot guys I KNOW I can take their WHOLE stack. I get KK one of the idiot bad players goes all in. I know that 57% I win this hand. Rather than take ANY RISK, I fold knowing that if I get unlucky thats 3K I don't have to win back. I KNOW idiot will give me his stack when he pushes it with the 2nd best hand.

Does that make sense? Tommy was going to get the idiots stack because he is bad. Tommy is not going to lose his stack because of bad luck.

Another "Tommy" thought... Idiot goes all in and gets lucky. Idiot leaves the game.
If idiot is pushing with crap he will push again and get caught.

[mikech]

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Ok here I go into Tommy's brain, (not really, probably no one can do that) how does this sound.

I'm in a full game with a couple idiot guys I KNOW I can take their WHOLE stack. I get KK one of the idiot bad players goes all in. I know that 57% I win this hand. Rather than take ANY RISK, I fold knowing that if I get unlucky thats 3K I don't have to win back. I KNOW idiot will give me his stack when he pushes it with the 2nd best hand.

Does that make sense? Tommy was going to get the idiots stack because he is bad. Tommy is not going to lose his stack because of bad luck.

Another "Tommy" thought... Idiot goes all in and gets lucky. Idiot leaves the game.
If idiot is pushing with crap he will push again and get caught.

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some idiots obviously haven't learned how to read english.

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With rare exception, the opponents I have faced repeatedly for eight years in this player pool are brilliant men. Some of them are full-time poker players. Others are writers and doctors and CEO’s. Without exception, the regulars who you and others here might judge as being “poor players” are capable of sparkling excellence at poker in any given moment.

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