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Old 12-10-2005, 09:03 PM
Victor Victor is offline
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he's only 1.2 aggro, nothing too huge. I would actually fold this river. Raising pf out of the SB shows much strength and backed in up on the flop as well. I just dont think you win often enough here.

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Old 12-10-2005, 09:24 PM
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he's only 1.2 aggro, nothing too huge. I would actually fold this river. Raising pf out of the SB shows much strength and backed in up on the flop as well. I just dont think you win often enough here.

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i want more people to say this.

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We need to be good about 10% of the time.

Hand that beat us:
JJ - 6
QQ - 6
KK - 6
AA - 6
99 - 3
88 - 3

30 combos. That means there need to be at least 3 combos of hands we beat.

AK - 16
A9 - 12

There are 28 combos. That means that if he overplays these hands 10% of the time, we should call.
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:49 PM
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throw ak out guess he aint 3betting and leading every street. throw a9o out bc he aint 3betting pf.

this is yet another case of refusing to believe what my opponent is telling me.
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:56 PM
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throw ak out guess he aint 3betting and leading every street. throw a9o out bc he aint 3betting pf.

this is yet another case of refusing to believe what my opponent is telling me.

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3 combos of A9s. If he plays like this 100% of the time with that hand, then you can just barely call. If you refuse to believe he will play AK or A9o this way as little as 5%, then yes, a river fold is good.
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:01 AM
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yes, a river fold is good

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sweet, im glad we agree.
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:11 AM
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hi vic. i think not capping preflop is passing up alot of equity. i sometimes just call this myself cause it feels right sometimes.

i cant fold this on the river. there are too many hands he could have. i understand why youd want to fold but im just not liking it. hes not going to put you on TT+ since you didnt cap preflop so he will often have a 9. even if you didnt pick up the flush draw on the turn im taking this hand to the showdown.

another reason why you cap preflop is that when players play back at you after youve coldcapped its because youre beat and can fold. here you cant.
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:19 AM
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hi vic. i think not capping preflop is passing up alot of equity. i sometimes just call this myself cause it feels right sometimes.

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i stoved it.

button has 35% of hands.....21.5
sb has 99, ajs, kqs, ajo....43
i have 1010.................35.5

i will willingly give up a few % of equity to protect my hand and get away for cheap when im clearly behind.

the equity is misleading bc it counts when flops come ak4 and i river a 10. clearly i wont stick around for that so that equity is not realized.

edit to add that my opponent is always sticking around to the river for overs. by capping now the button will only be facing one bet on the flop as well and will call with overs. so, even when ahead preflop, i will be dodging 6-12 outs on the turn and 6 more on the river.
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