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Re: Flopped trips (again), worst turn card possible.
T9s is a fold for me except late with 2 or more limpers.
Flop:I wonder if waiting for the turn to raise makes any sense? The result was fine but you might get 3 more calls here. No pfr so only worry about flush draws. Turn: This card would worry me more with more players but here I call. River: After check, I would definetly bet/call. I don't see him checking Kings full after turn bet. How wrong am I on this flop line? Any comments appreciated. |
#12
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Re: Flopped trips (again), worst turn card possible.
The check line is player dependent IMO. Reads would be helpful. I think you could value bet a quality player. If villan is a decent to fair player they most likely wouldn't have limped with K-anything UTG. They might play a smaller to mid PP depending on the table. (Using the same line of thinking you did with your suited connector) I would value bet this type of villan.
On the other hand if the villan is not a very good player, I like the check behind. This type of player would limp KQ, KJ, K10 etc. UTG |
#13
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Re: Flopped trips (again), worst turn card possible.
bet river.
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Re: Flopped trips (again), worst turn card possible.
Why would we bet the river but not raise the turn?
If he has a king maybe he's planning to check/raise the river. |
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Re: Flopped trips (again), worst turn card possible.
*grunch*
TURN: UTG donk bets into you on the turn...don't you think he would set you up for a CR by checking if he had a K? Don't know what I would do, but I could see raising here. Maybe he thinks his lone A is good. RIVER: I guess you could value bet, but what's he gonna call with that doesn't have you beaten...two pair/Ace kicker? JT (that would be a weird hand for him to have)? Strange for him to check on the river. I think I'd bet anyways. If he's got the K, so be it. NH ScottieK |
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Re: Flopped trips (again), worst turn card possible.
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Why would we bet the river but not raise the turn? If he has a king maybe he's planning to check/raise the river. [/ QUOTE ] because his river check tells us he does not have a king often, and his flop bet/call tells us he does not have a 9 often. but back when he bet the turn, it really looked like a 9 or king or bluff, so we just want to get to show down. now that we see his river check, we can go back and say that on the turn he was likely betting either ace high or possibly was randomly bluffing. betting is our only chance to get something out of ace high. if he is attempting to c/r a king, bravo to him. you will not see this play often. |
#17
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Re: Flopped trips (again), worst turn card possible.
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[ QUOTE ] If your position were better, or there were a limper in before you, I'd feel better about it [/ QUOTE ] UTG limped. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, that was a mistype... an extra limper. |
#18
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Re: Flopped trips (again), worst turn card possible.
is the consensus that villain would have tried to check/raise the turn if he had the K? I'm trying to figure out how I'd try to get value out of someone with a 9. Because the line he took makes me think he had it more likely than not:
flop - he bet the K, thinking no one would have the 9. he got raised. turn - he bet his FH b/c he thought it would get checked behind. river - he's pretty sure a bet is folding hero, but thinks hero might take another swing, surmising that the turn bet was a bluff. If hero folds to a c/r, he gets his one bet on the river. although, if he thought hero had the 9, it's hard to see him not calling a bet, so villain could've swung again. Then again, the same hero with the 9 might call the c/r. I could see him playing it either way, but I get the feeling I'm alone here. Am I? |
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