Curtains Hand #2

[Nicholasp27]

the bet/call/pot numbers are interesting

curtains bet 45 then sb raised to 72.5 then curtains called 30 more to be putting in 75, or 2.5 more than sb

72.5+75+15(bb)=162.50, which is what the hand says the pot is...so why did party make curtains pay 75?

[chisness]

because the hh converter is messed up, there can't be .5s anyway

The converter thinks the SB was 7.5 and not 10, so it got all screwy.

[Degen]

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the bet/call/pot numbers are interesting

curtains bet 45 then sb raised to 72.5 then curtains called 30 more to be putting in 75, or 2.5 more than sb

72.5+75+15(bb)=162.50, which is what the hand says the pot is...so why did party make curtains pay 75?

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converter messed this up somehow

action was curtains raises 30 to 45, villian min-raises to 75, curtains calls...

[good2cu]

Curtain's line allows him to extract the maxium number of chips from AK/AQ, donk hands, while losing the least amount of chips to an overpair. Not many 215s are going to be firing a 2nd barrel on the turn with AK/AQ. If the villian checks the turn on a blank curtains is certainly ahead, if he fires another barrel curtains can fold losing the minimum. He losses less chips this way then if he raises the flop and the villian pushes.

[bennies]

Interesting, because hero decides not to decide on the flop.
Most advice on this board advocates defining your hand, preflop or on the flop at the latest. I imagine Hero wants more information before deciding if JJ is good. For instance, if villain makes a 2/3 pot bet on the turn I imagine Hero will fold.

[psyduck]

Isn't this standard? If villian has A-high or a smaller pair (but still overpair), then you'd like him to hang himself. Any 'defining' raise is for 30% of your stack, and villain might be an idiot who would come over the top with AK or AQ because of the raggy board.

At least, that's what I do at the 30+3s [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[raptor517]

i go against the 'grain' of 2+2ers that say you have to define yer hand preflop or on the flop. why not call 125 and take a turn? you have position. thats a huge factor. i really like how curtains played the hand up to this point. shows a much deeper understanding of post flop play than i gave him credit for. holla

[bigt439]

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i go against the 'grain' of 2+2ers that say you have to define yer hand preflop or on the flop. why not call 125 and take a turn? you have position. thats a huge factor. i really like how curtains played the hand up to this point. shows a much deeper understanding of post flop play than i gave him credit for. holla

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It's obviously easy to just quote raptor, but this is exactly what I would've written. This is a perfect spot to call and gain information on the turn. Similair, but not the same, as what Irieguy was talking about in raptor's post a couple weeks ago with Q9 in the bb.

What % of villain's check the turn with AK (AQ?) at the 215s?