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12-09-2005, 02:58 PM
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Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
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But are you certain that those 12 people decided without bias of any kind, and with access to all of the facts? Just because a jury finds somebody guilty doesn't mean they were, as has been shown countless times for even death row inmates. [/ QUOTE ] That he hasn't won any appeals is further confirmation. 
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12-09-2005, 04:23 PM
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Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
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[ QUOTE ] But are you certain that those 12 people decided without bias of any kind, and with access to all of the facts? Just because a jury finds somebody guilty doesn't mean they were, as has been shown countless times for even death row inmates. [/ QUOTE ] That he hasn't won any appeals is further confirmation. [/ QUOTE ] I'm no lawyer, but don't appeals have more to do with scrutinizing the judge's rulings about evidence, testimony, et al, and not the conclusion the jury reached?
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12-09-2005, 11:42 AM
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Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
I think he should not be executed. Not so much because of whatever good he has done since, but because I don't think the death penalty should be applied to his crimes.
I also think the notion of execution as a fitting "punishment", generally speaking, is flawed and barbaric. Also, he pretty clearly is not a threat to do that sort of thing again.
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12-09-2005, 11:47 AM
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Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
Seperating your opinion on the death penalty, does a person actions in prison really have any bearing on wether the jury was competent in deciding punishment.
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12-09-2005, 11:55 AM
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Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
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Seperating your opinion on the death penalty, does a person actions in prison really have any bearing on wether the jury was competent in deciding punishment. [/ QUOTE ] Essentially no.
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12-10-2005, 06:12 PM
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Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
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[ QUOTE ] Seperating your opinion on the death penalty, does a person actions in prison really have any bearing on wether the jury was competent in deciding punishment. [/ QUOTE ] Essentially no. [/ QUOTE ] If you believe prison is exclusively a means to keep criminals seperated from society and serves only to punish, then you would be right. If prisons are supposed to serve some reformative purpose then a prisoner's actions and attitudes after serving some time should be considered when determining his final disposition.
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12-10-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Seperating your opinion on the death penalty, does a person actions in prison really have any bearing on wether the jury was competent in deciding punishment. [/ QUOTE ] Essentially no. [/ QUOTE ] If you believe prison is exclusively a means to keep criminals seperated from society and serves only to punish, then you would be right. If prisons are supposed to serve some reformative purpose then a prisoner's actions and attitudes after serving some time should be considered when determining his final disposition. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this more or less, but that's not what the poster was asking me.
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12-09-2005, 12:13 PM
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Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
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Seperating your opinion on the death penalty, does a person actions in prison really have any bearing on wether the jury was competent in deciding punishment. [/ QUOTE ] No. However, clemency is not exclusively concerned with jury competence.
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