QQ on Interesting Turn

[hobbsmann]

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MP2 was all in after his turn raise

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3-bet?

[belloc]

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MP2 was all in after his turn raise

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3-bet?

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What's your goal in 3-betting this? If you're behind MP2, but ahead of the others, seems like you just end up folding worse hands here, and winning a dry side pot.

If you're behind MP2 and you call here, you can only hope to take home a consolation prize of the big street overcalls. There are a few draws out there, but nothing to be too worried about. A single J has two queen outs to beat you, and there's the unlikely backdoor diamond draw.

It really depends on the read of MP2; you need a reason to think you're ahead of him. There just isn't enough potential side pot money out there to go after; so you need to win the main pot to make continuing worthwhile. With no read and two other opponents, I guess I'm probably done with the hand at this point.

[gopnik]

"I guess I'm probably done with the hand at this point."

you have to at least call, you are getting 11:1 on your gutshot and discounted Q outs

[belloc]

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you have to at least call, you are getting 11:1 on your gutshot and discounted Q outs

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You're getting 11:1 if there's a guarantee of no more action. But if either of the two players left to starts putting more money in the pot either now or on 5th street, you might have wished you had folded.

You're actually getting 13:1 if the two hands behind you call.

Suppose we call here, and get two overcalls. What's the plan for the river? How about one overcall?

I can see the merits of a call here, but we need a plan going forward.

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I decided to call and bet most rivers.

[hobbsmann]

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I decided to call and bet most rivers.

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I think this a good plan as you should pick up extra money from UTG who appears to not have a K. I suggested a 3-bet on the turn for this reason, but thinking about it a little more I like this plan better as you encourage this guy to call with a wider range.

OTOH though, it would be really sexy if you 3-bet promotion raise the turn, forcing out a better hand from UTG while getting all in against a guy trying to get his money in on a long shot. This is probably wishful thinking, but maybe, just maybe.... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I decided to call and bet most rivers.

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I think this a good plan as you should pick up extra money from UTG who appears to not have a K. I suggested a 3-bet on the turn for this reason, but thinking about it a little more I like this plan better as you encourage this guy to call with a wider range.

OTOH though, it would be really sexy if you 3-bet promotion raise the turn, forcing out a better hand from UTG while getting all in against a guy trying to get his money in on a long shot. This is probably wishful thinking, but maybe, just maybe.... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Lol [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. This would be fine but I don;t think you ever get UTG to fold a better hand since he is closing the action and getting approximately 7:1 or so on the call (only about 4:1 on the call down though).

I think however that the best strategy is to call turn, bet river. That way you get more bets when you beat UTG, raising turn is spewing [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

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ok.. so you're getting 11:1.. you're probably behind at this point.. theres an over.. and you're facing multi opponents.. im still folding.

folding getting at least 11:1, if you were going to get raised on the turn they would have already done it. Sorry but this is horrible.

I call hoping to get 12:1. Our hand is probably good but we want to bring UTG along anyway. I don't think 3-betting has much merit because a K will probably call and anything we beat will most likely fold. The board isn't draw heavy so I don't think there is much for him to draw to.

I bet most rivers, but don't like getting raised.

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I decided to call and bet most rivers.

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Are you hoping to fold a better hand?

Because I don't see any hand that limps UTG, calls this flop not closing the action, calls the turn and a turn raise, then calls a river bet that you beat.