$1,000 1 table freezeout. What do you do here???

#1 12-06-2005, 07:42 AM

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""What should I do when I know I'm favorite against my opponent's range and I know a way to get it all in?"

Do it."

But my point is that I don't necessarily want to go up against him since he might have 2 overs and flush draw and therefore be a slight favorite. So pushing to take it right there is better, yes??

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No. This is VERY faulty logic. If his hand range is as wide as you say it is, and he really will get it all in with you with that entire range (This probably isn't actually true; I'm answering the question that you asked.) then you should do it. The fact that that range includes some hands against which this play is incorrect doesn't matter.

For example, suppose you have AK in the SB with blinds at 500/1000. Your opponent in the BB has 1k chips. Do you a) fold because your opponent could have AA, in which case calling would be wrong, or b) get it all in because you have your opponent's range crushed?

I hope this clarifies things.

Double Down · #2 12-06-2005, 07:46 AM

Ok, so you would push, yes????

#3 12-06-2005, 07:52 AM

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Ok, so you would push, yes????

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You said that if you bet 1500, he pushes 100% of the time. Therefore, I bet 1500.

The important thing to realize, though, is that you've asked a question in which you've made gigantic assumptions about your opponents play that make the correct play incredibly obvious.

Double Down · #4 12-06-2005, 07:58 AM

"You said that if you bet 1500, he pushes 100% of the time. Therefore, I bet 1500."

Noah, the point is I don't want him to push. I don't want to coinflip the tournament at this point. If I bet he pushes and I call, I'm now the dog if he has 2 overs and a spade.

#5 12-06-2005, 08:03 AM

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"You said that if you bet 1500, he pushes 100% of the time. Therefore, I bet 1500."

Noah, the point is I don't want him to push. I don't want to coinflip the tournament at this point. If I bet he pushes and I call, I'm now the dog if he has 2 overs and a spade.

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Meh, I give up.

It's only a coinflip if he has two overcards and a flush draw. I don't see why you're so hung up on this as his holding since you said yourself he could have a ton of other hands that you destroy. Getting hung up on the possibility that he could have two specific cards is just as ridiculous as the KK example I give. All that matters is the probability that he has certain hands. You gave those in your post, so assuming their right, your play is really really easy.

Is he even folding two overcards and a flush draw if you push anyway?

Melchiades · #6 12-06-2005, 08:17 AM

Not only does he need 2 overs and a flushdraw to be a favourite. He needs two live overs. How many of the hands he holds with two overs have a king, since you say he would reraise any ace preflop? You are basicly worried about QJ with one spade.

No matter what, I think your read on the villain is pretty impressive....

Double Down · #7 12-06-2005, 08:18 AM

"Is he even folding two overcards and a flush draw if you push anyway? "

i would say 70% of the time, so there is some good FE here. But the point is that whatever I bet, he's gonna push, and I won't want to call him. it's not like I'm minbetting to get him to raise into me and I have a great hand. I have a very, very vulnerable hand

#8 12-06-2005, 08:26 AM

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"Is he even folding two overcards and a flush draw if you push anyway? "

i would say 70% of the time, so there is some good FE here. But the point is that whatever I bet, he's gonna push, and I won't want to call him. it's not like I'm minbetting to get him to raise into me and I have a great hand. I have a very, very vulnerable hand

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Why aren't you going to call him given that you know you have him beat?

I was trying to refrain from saying this: you don't know how to play poker. You have absolutely no idea what the point of doing certain things with certain hands is if you're thinking that you should fold a hand that you know is favorite HU.