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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
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Does he never play this way with 68, 69, 65 or 64? [/ QUOTE ] look at the board on the turn. if he played those hands like this I'd say "he puts a decent amont of pressure on" is a bit of an understatement. |
#12
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
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[ QUOTE ] Does he never play this way with 68, 69, 65 or 64? [/ QUOTE ] look at the board on the turn. if he played those hands like this I'd say "he puts a decent amont of pressure on" is a bit of an understatement. [/ QUOTE ] I dunno. He has a gutshot + pair, so 9 outs if behind. Also, this seems like a pretty agressive game, and maybe he could fold out some of BKs weaker hands? |
#13
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
a bet call line is truly terrible. he would have to raise a weaker hand more often than a legitimate one if you assume that he always bets the river to make bet/calling right.
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
I like this hand. I think he folds actually a good portion of the time on the turn after the bet/3bet. If he just calls and you go UI on the river. Are you check/calling? bet/folding? check/folding? If you were to bet/fold the river UI. I really like the hand. I expect you to lose almost everytime if he calls, but I want to show consistent aggression with a hand that has huge equity on the turn vs something like an overpair. Since hes an "eh" player at the 200/400 level, I expect him to adapt for the future and call down your bet/3bet, river bet line more frequently with lesser holdings. As far as this hand in isolation, I think its close but -EV. If you had a hand like 78c I think it would be +EV.
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#15
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
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... I check/raise planning on folding to a 3 bet. [/ QUOTE ] Why do you guys do this so much when the pot is so inflated and it's just ONE more bet to you? Plus, it pretty much [censored] up your metagame, no? |
#16
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
How is it that one can go multiple bets preflop with a mediocre hand, and turn when you just have a strong draw (not saying that it was wrong to do so here) and go 2 bets on the river but then be willing to fold for 1 more bet if raised when you now have a pretty strong hand.
I am all for saving bets at the end when you strongly suspect that you are beat. It's one attribute of a winning player but geez, this is going too far IMO. FWIW, I would probably just call preflop K6. You guys are playing 4 handed. The guy knows that you know his raises are light and therefore knows that your preflop 3 bets are also light. Taking the initiative doesn't seem to be a reason to 3 bet here. When out of position, I would wnat to keep the pots small. I would just call. |
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
BK,
How often do you 3bet PF here? Can you discuss the advantages you see? Can we omit big pairs from his range? I'd guess so, but don't know. We'd have: T7 - 9 33 - 3 98 - 16 77 - 3 TT - 3 So when you raise the river you are a 22:12 dog. Even adding AA to his range, you are still a dog. So what am I missing? It seems like a c/call??? |
#18
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
The preflop 3-bet is a little shaky, but not bad. It's a good mix from time to time and lets your opponents know that stealing from you isn't easy.
The turn bet/3-bet is OK. Calling his raise might be better, but that's negotiable. Folding trips anywhere on the river is not a good idea. Are you really that desparate to save a single big bet in a 13+ BB pot? Even if he resteals < 10% of the time it's worth a call. Not to mention you can easily have the best hand against a slow-played premium pair. |
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
I like the flop.
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#20
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Re: 4 handed 200/400 bellagio hand
Very subtle. nh.
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