Dreaded stats request . . . 20/40+. Going to showdown. - Page 2

sthief09 · #1 11-30-2005, 03:16 PM

one of the big differences i noticed between 10/20 and 20/40+ and now that im playing 10/20 again is that at 10/20 when you check behind on the turn after raising preflop, the 20/40 players will fearlessly value bet you and not bluff too much, while the 10/20 players do more bluffing than value betting. which means you have to give up a lot more on the turn i think which would lower your went to showdown

its likely youre running bad because no good player should be winning at showdown only 45% of the time.

also, consider going back to 10/20. i ran pretty good at 20/40 and pretty bad at 30/60, then i ran super bad in vegas, which shook my confidence a good bit, and playing 10/20 makes me feel like im really really good. i always know what they have and its so easy to play accordingly. and im not just saying that because im running good. im not. its just so easy.

Grisgra · #2 11-30-2005, 04:01 PM

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playing 10/20 makes me feel like im really really good. i always know what they have and its so easy to play accordingly. and im not just saying that because im running good. im not. its just so easy.

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True enough -- the only reason I'm down only a few grand this month is because I've snuck some 10/20 in there and running, as usually, at 3BB+/100. I haven't developed the skill to mucho-multitable 10/20 yet . . . I really want to find a way to make ~$200/hr at higher limits rather than just being a massively multitabling grinder . . . and hey, I'll admit it. I like the 20/40+ action.

But I think that starting in December I'm going to make sure I put in plenty of 10/20 time, just for the sake of keeping my sanity. Because you're right -- it's just painfully easy. And when you've had a bad session, you know WHY you've had a bad session.

baronzeus · #3 11-30-2005, 04:30 PM

these numbers include two 180+ downswings though, so take them FWIW. i'd say over the entire 50K sample i was running about average.

stoxtrader · #4 11-30-2005, 04:44 PM

nice stats.

I assume a different average players per hand at each limit.

NLSoldier · #5 11-30-2005, 06:28 PM

i do not understand how you guys can go to SD so freaking much. wanna show some examples of hands that you take to showdown that you think i and others down at like 34 maybe dont?

bugstud · #6 11-30-2005, 07:38 PM

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i do not understand how you guys can go to SD so freaking much. wanna show some examples of hands that you take to showdown that you think i and others down at like 34 maybe dont?

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yeah seriously, I'm at like 32. I think I suck at poker.

sthief09 · #7 11-30-2005, 07:54 PM

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i do not understand how you guys can go to SD so freaking much. wanna show some examples of hands that you take to showdown that you think i and others down at like 34 maybe dont?

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i win a lot with A high and a bit with K and Q high. that could be it. i also sacrifice value sometimes with a hand that might be best in order to dodge a checkraise that would make me fold

Subfallen · #8 11-30-2005, 07:58 PM

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i also sacrifice value sometimes with a hand that might be best in order to dodge a checkraise that would make me fold

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When I've been folding a lot to turn check-raises, I start feeling paranoid. When I start feeling paranoid, I start tilting. When I start tilting...

TMFS9 · #9 11-30-2005, 08:56 PM

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i also sacrifice value sometimes with a hand that might be best in order to dodge a checkraise that would make me fold

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I think this is key, as long as you don't give up too much value. I feel in the aggro games that virtually all 15/30+ 6 max games are making it to a showdown as much as reasonably possible is a main factor in doing well.

TMFS9 · #10 11-30-2005, 04:51 PM

These stats are from 15/30 to 30/60 with a few (1k) hands thrown in from 50/100. Also I play a lot of 2-4 handed so to seperate those hands out I had to use the positional stats page. These are my stats for 4-6 players at the table and it seems as I go to showdown a little more than most so far.