What do you limp?

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EP - limp with 4's - 8's, AJo, KQo, QJs, JTs, (ATs, A9s if above avg chip stack)
MP - KJo, A8s, A7s (middle SC's if above avg chip stack)
LP - KTs, QTs, (small SC's if above avg chip stack)

I'm sure i've missed a few and by no means do I use this exclusively, have folded these hands and raised with these hands. so much is read dependent, stack dependent, other players stack size dependent, # of players left and your table image up to this point.

[/ QUOTE ]Thanks for the list. I realize that it depends upon a lot, which is why I stipulated early levels and nearly full table (to reduce availability of reads, significant stack differences and the like). I'm just looking for base lines from which people work. (And, to spark discussion about those.)

[handsome]

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EP - limp with 4's - 8's, AJo, KQo, QJs, JTs, (ATs, A9s if above avg chip stack)
MP - KJo, A8s, A7s (middle SC's if above avg chip stack)
LP - KTs, QTs, (small SC's if above avg chip stack)


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This list sucks.

[tigerite]

Agreed it's far, far too loose

[Melchiades]

Thats a whole lot of hands I fold without even considering playing. Limping JTs from EP seems partuculary EV-.

I've found that limping with middle pairs makes it easy to paid off if you do hit the set on the flop because it is hard for the other person to put you on pocket pair. Also, if you miss the flop, it is easy to get away from the hand.

[tripdad]

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EP - limp with 4's - 8's, AJo, KQo, QJs, JTs, (ATs, A9s if above avg chip stack)
MP - KJo, A8s, A7s (middle SC's if above avg chip stack)
LP - KTs, QTs, (small SC's if above avg chip stack)

I'm sure i've missed a few and by no means do I use this exclusively, have folded these hands and raised with these hands. so much is read dependent, stack dependent, other players stack size dependent, # of players left and your table image up to this point.

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you need to remember that hold'em is a battle for the blinds. when the blinds are so small, you shouldn't limp with troublesome hands such as AJo and KQo in early position, and KJo in MP, or any of the suited rag aces, just to name some (there are a lot of trouble hands on your list). the blinds just aren't big enough to risk your stack on.

tripdad

[tigerite]

This is a better list, I think though you'd be better off mucking AJs and KQs from up front. They're not too bad to play, though.

I'd replace ATs with AJs in MP, bin KQs in EP, and probably also remove KJs. Actually KJ is just a very hard hand to play for profit, even from LP

[pooh74]

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This is a better list, I think though you'd be better off mucking AJs and KQs from up front. They're not too bad to play, though.

I'd replace ATs with AJs in MP, bin KQs in EP, and probably also remove KJs. Actually KJ is just a very hard hand to play for profit, even from LP

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All of this advice above is very very good, yes, even at stars...not that my approval means anything, but I agree.

[gisb0rne]

WOW...people are so loose.

Limp: 88-JJ (raise in LP if first in)
Raise: QQ-AA, AK

Fold everything else. PStars turbos.

[tripdad]

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This is a better list, I think though you'd be better off mucking AJs and KQs from up front. They're not too bad to play, though.

I'd replace ATs with AJs in MP, bin KQs in EP, and probably also remove KJs. Actually KJ is just a very hard hand to play for profit, even from LP

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thanks tigerite. i just moved up to the 55's today, and probably will modify as per your advice. at least until i get in the swing of things there, it's always better to take the safer route.

tripdad